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Old 06-29-2005, 09:09 AM   #1
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Does anyone know of or have a 10mm Carbine or Rifle?

I don't want to have to refinance my home to buy or have something built but I would like a 16 to 18 inch barrel on a carbine or rifle that will shoot and feed my 10mm ammo. I don't care for the AR15 conversion as the sights are to high above the barrel. If anyone knows some one that has converted something to 10mm at a fair price, I would like to know where to begin.
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Old 06-29-2005, 10:19 AM   #2
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There's the MechTec which converts a pistol to carbine or an AR upper conversion. I've read about a company called LeMag that once converted M1 Carbines but has since stopped. I would love to get an M1 Carbine in 10mm but I don't know of anybody who is currently making such a wonderful firearm. There's a company in England that converts Enfields but they cost more than $1000 each.

Good luck and let me know if you hear anything or can get a quatity buy.

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Old 06-29-2005, 10:37 AM   #3
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10mm carbine

I kept hoping that Marlin or Ruger would have a 9mm carbine that could be converted to 10mm by a good gunsmith. Does anyone know if this would be possible?
 
Old 06-29-2005, 10:49 AM   #4
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I spoke with a couple of gunsmiths and the 9mm and 40 cal are much less powerful than the 10mm. As such they can be chambered in a blowback operating system. A 10mm carbine would need to have a gas system such as the AR or M1 carbines. The FBI did have a Thompson SMG chambered in 10mm but as I recall from my days as a Lt. the T-SMG was a blowback but weighed so much it could handle the recoil. The Ruger and Marlin are all blowback. I have even looked into rebarrelling a level gun but have not found a barrel manufacturer that works in 10mm.
 
Old 06-29-2005, 11:30 AM   #5
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10mm Carbine

Thanks, I haven't found any gunsmiths in this area that would even talk about any conversion to 10mm. If you hear of a gunsmith that has a way to convert or make a 10mm carbine, I'd like to talk to him/her.
 
Old 06-30-2005, 01:43 PM   #6
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Your answer is a flat top (A3) style AR-15.

Mount the optic of your choice and you'll be fine. If the flot top upper you purchase has a typical riser front sight they are easily removed and replaced with a simple gas block without the sight.

Sticking with the AR system gives you all the accessory options you could dream of and the excellent trigger pull the AR is capable of with the right lower.

Brent
 
Old 06-30-2005, 02:38 PM   #7
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Brent,
I might try that but I may try the CCU first. Main reason is I already have a 1911 I don't shoot much and the CCU by MECH TECH is $339.00 If I go with the AR I'd have to buy one then the conversion. I think I'll try the cheaper way first. I really do wish someone would build a nice 10mm rifle or carbine though. Thanks for the suggestion though, I might have to go that way but later.
 
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I think you'll be happy with the Mec if it runs. I had friends who used them for pistol caliber carbine courses at IPSC matches in both .38 Super and .40 and they were fun but tempermental. I think you'll have a good time with it in 10mm.

I agree 100% that the market needs a quality 10mm carbine. My vote (though it will never happen) is the Beretta Storm. That gun is well designed and freakishly reliable. However, since they based it on their current pistol's magazines in 9mm, .40 and .45 its obviously not going to happen in 10mm.

A good AR-15 from a major name in 10mm would be nice too, with new production magazines instead of converted .45 ACP stick mags.

Which brings us to the HK MP5/10mm. Obviously we'd all love a semi-auto fully HK built version of that dream gun- preferably priced under $1000...but that is beyond rediculous dreaming!

One of my friend's brothers is an FBI agent and loves that gun. I'm always jealous hearing about it.

Maybe someday someone will get smart and build one.

Brent
 
Old 07-01-2005, 10:35 AM   #9
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I agree with all you say. I had a MP5 and an American 180 when I was with the Sheriff's Dept and they were fun but by then I had qualified Master with the S&W Model 29 using my own loads. (I reduced the loads to 1150 fps).

I built two ARs in the early 90s and sold them as I don't like the 223 caliber.

I would like to see Ruger build a 10mm rifle in the MINI 30 style. HK, Colt, S&W and others would make us pay for the name. I believe $400 to $500 would be a fair price and they would sell many at that price, but I'm dreaming of course.

One day I hope the 10 comes back and I believe the public will buy everything they make if it's not overly expensive.
 
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If Glock every gets around to making a carbine that uses their pistol magazines as Beretta has done with the Storm we might be in luck as well.

Brent
 
Old 07-02-2005, 01:42 PM   #11
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Right now I'm pricing the 10mm in the Flattop A3 version from Olympic Arms. They will probably get back to me sometime after the 4th of July. I will probably have to try Mech Tech CCU in 10mm first though, I have 3 magazines for the 1911 in 10mm but if it doesn't shoot right I'll have to save up for the A3 Flattop version. I had some trouble with the Glock 20 that I bought. I had the 3 1/2 pound trigger installed and had to take it back 3 times before they got it fixed and then the long trigger pull and the warning in the owners manual, "Do not expose to direct sunlight" made me decide to sell it.
 
Old 07-07-2005, 11:11 AM   #12
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I contacted Olympic and the standard 10mm AR rifle starts at $895.00. I will start saving but it will take some time. Extra Magazines are $55.00 if I read all this right so the rifle I want if I have to buy the AR in 10mm is the flattop with out front or rear sights, a 3 or 4 lb trigger and at least 4 magazines. I believe it will cost well over $1000.00.

If anyone out there knows of a less expensive 10mm rifle, or something easy to convert, let me know.
 
Old 07-16-2005, 09:10 PM   #13
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I have a G20, Colt Delta Elite and a 18.5" 10mm barrel for my T/C Contender carbine. The rifle is a lot of fun to shoot.

Here is a velocity comparison with different length barrels.

With Mike Mcnett load data, average velocities are........


135gr Nosler HP......

Stock 4.6" G20 1650fps

6" Barsto barrel Colt Delta Elite 1850fps

18.5" T/C Contender 2070fps


200gr Hornady XTP........

4.6" G20 1175fps

6" Colt DE 1300fps

18.5" T/C 1402fps
 
Old 07-17-2005, 12:39 PM   #14
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Thanks for the information on loads and velocities. I've about decided to sell my S&W Model 41 with both 5.5" and 7 3/8" barrels with 4 mags and my Herters 44 mag so that I can buy the Olympic K10. I want the Flattop version with the 16" barrel and I was told it would cost me $985.00 so I have to sell a couple of guns. I really hate to sell 2 to get one, both are like new but I guess I'll have to. Now all I have to do is find buyer before the price of the K10 Olympic goes up. I won't sell any of my 10mms to get the rifle though.
 
Old 07-19-2005, 04:58 PM   #15
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dirldg:

Maybe you've already seen it, but have you checked out NordicGK3's AR 10mm set-up?

IIRC, it's an early Olympic Arms gun and he's got pics of it posted on his website:

http://www.bren-ten.com

He obtained stick mags for it way back when they were still reasonably priced, but they were .41AE mags from IMI (about the same COAL of the .40S&W), so he had them modified to reliably hold and feed the longer 10mm cartridge. Nordic says with the modification his mags work fine.

The AR system is a slick set-up for the definitive "10mm carbine." The flat-top model lends itself to easier aftermarket customizing from the standpoint of optics and BUIS. Hand guards, rail systems and grips should also swap in/out the same as any other AR.

But the problem on any "10mm carbine" will ALWAYS be the mags - unless it's a lever action 10mm carbine, like a 16" barrelled Marlin or Winchester.

With autoloaders, like the ARs, you're going to need reliable, affordable "hi-cap" mags (i.e. holding 25-30rds), specifically tailored to the COAL specs of the 10mm cartridge.

IIRC, the .41AE mags are now hard to get, so OA converts some other caliber mag, such as .45acp stick mags from Thompson - and they're pricey.

Personally, lever-actions aside, I'd want a "10mm carbine" built on the AR pattern, but until the mag issue gets worked out, I'll continue to save my $$$. Ditto on a semi-auto 10mm HK- or MP5-type knock-off. Show me working 25-30rd mags first and the price tag, please.
 
Old 07-24-2005, 12:48 PM   #16
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10mm rifle or carbine

agtman,
I checked with Olympic Arms and this is what they sent me.

"I want to buy an Olympic AR in 10mm with the Flattop, (No handle or front or rear sights), with 1" rings and the lightest trigger that you sell. I would also like to find the price of the 10mm magazines. I would like the 16" barrel in a light weight configuration with out a flash hider.
Is all this possible?
I'd like one of you catalogs, I'm saving for one of you rifles in 10mm.
Thank you,
Dirl Grainger

This package will run 989.00.S/H is 20.00. You will need to go through a dealer for this.He may order direct.Thanks Jared."

I also found that the mags were $65.00 each, converted Uzi magazines.

I haven't listed the Model 41 S&W with both barrels/slides and my Herters 44 mag yet, I've been trying to sell other things, not gun/rifles. I really hate to part with any firearm to buy another but I'll probably have to this coming week. I checked the site and it's very good, I've been there before but it has more there now. Thanks for the help!
 
Old 12-17-2005, 02:12 PM   #17
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D-Max made a 10mm carbine in the late 80's. It had a full length perforated shroud like a 1919 Browning and the magazine came out the side like a Sten.

I have an M1 Carbine in 10mm MAGNUM....the longer one, but I had to make that myself.

Tony Rumore
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www.tromix.com
 
Old 12-17-2005, 05:09 PM   #18
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I bought the Olympic Arms K10 finally. I had to send it back as they sent it to me in 40 S&W and have corrected that. I haven't been able to do more than check to make sure it is 10mm so far but I will sight it in next week. I was able to get it in the flattop version with the front sight assembly and I bought the carry handle in case I want to shoot open sights. It was expensive, $1258.00 so far after getting all the extras I wanted but if it's as accurate as it should be I'll be happy. The magazines are $65.00 each and I bought 3, they are converted UZI magazines.

An M1 Carbine in 10mm would be very nice, where can I get one of those?
 
Old 12-18-2005, 04:55 PM   #19
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dirldg:

Thanks for the update on your 10mm AR from OA.

Please give us a Range Report when you've had the chance to wring it out with different 10mm ammo, especially the full-power stuff from DT or Texas Ammo.

Also, let us know how the converted UZI mags worked. Good luck on your project.
 
Old 12-29-2005, 06:20 PM   #20
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Agtman,
At 75 yards I was able to put 5 rounds into the center of the bullseye so it looks like 4 shots. I was amazed at the accuracy with that rifle but the ammo is always the same load. I worked it up myself in the early 90s. 180 grain Gold Dot, CCI300 primers, 11.2 grains of AA7 using first Midway then Starline brass. I hate factory ammo and have never trusted any of it. They load for velocity, I load for accuracy and stopping power. This load I have used in all my 1006s, 1066, Parker 10mm, 610 and 1911s, it's accurate in all of them. I don't use or trust factory ammo when my load is everything I want. Sorry but I'll use the load that has always worked for me. A friend got his Bear this year with my load using his Dan Wesson.
 
Old 12-30-2005, 04:38 PM   #21
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dirldg:

Understood on your preferences. The accuracy sounds great. What's the velocity on your 180gn GD load?
 
Old 12-30-2005, 05:31 PM   #22
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I don't own a Chonograph so I don't really know. I was told the Winchester Silver Tip HP was close to 1900 fps and my load is just under that so all I can do is guess 1825 to 1850 fps out of the 16" barrel. Whatever it is it's very accurate. I need to get some hunting in with it to see how it does.
 
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