9x23 double stack

jonsidneyb · 04-03-2006, 04:18 AM

Hello, I have been a fan of the 9x23 before Winchester had it. Trying to remember the name-Ricco I think it is?

At a glance, it appears this forum has more info on the 9x23 than any other I have seen. I think I will need to hang out here.

I have not had a single problem with 9x23 in a single stack gun. However in double stack I have some guns sitting that I would like to use.

I just can't get 100% reliablity unless I only have about 10-11 rounds in the magazine. What I have happening is this.

Hmmm-how to describe this. As the double stack magazine is being filled up thing are normal for the first 10 rounds but then as I load them, I see the fronts of the cartridges start to fan out and it gets worse as I load them. The rims of the cartridge are in contact with each other but the foward part of the top cartridge is pulling away from the one below it.

I have this going on in three guns, Online I have never seen this problem described in the manner I have but have heard a .38 Super rimless is more reliable. I don't see this happen in any 9x19 magazines. One thing of course, the magazines I use for 9x23 were not made for 9x23 but for .38 Super. What confuses me is I would think the problem with .38 Super would be worse since the rim makes it even wider at the rear??? How odd?

Dane Burns · 04-03-2006, 05:28 AM

What guns and what mags?

jonsidneyb · 04-03-2006, 05:38 AM

Tanfoglio Longslide,

Tanfoglio Standard,

Tanfoglio compact,---this one works the best of all of the guns. I thought it wouldn't with the short slide. I am pretty sure the cut dowm magazines help it. I had two magazines cut down and underwater welded and are now 13 rounders. These mags work if I load to 12 rounds....the full sized ones start giving me a bit of trouble at 11 and get ugly at 12.

eerw · 04-04-2006, 09:49 AM

I have had the 9x23 work great in several STI/SV type guns...

check you magazine feed lips to see how they hold the round and where the release the round..sounds like the front of the feedlips is not holding the round long enough..

CV WARNER · 04-13-2006, 04:40 PM

I believe you will find Eerw correct..and if I may add my opinion, I think you'll find an unusual anomoly in that if the mags were just a tad wider they would work better. i found this to be the case with one of their early 38 supers that I converted. I dont know the nominal specs but I know that this was the case in that instance. This is assuming all else is correct. I have never had a problem with any of the hi caps with 9x23 once checked and tuned. I carry a 9x23 para. Good Luck
p.s. its my understanding that Mr. Burns has as much or more exp. with this cartridge than anyone....

CV WARNER · 04-13-2006, 04:44 PM

underwater welded?....do tell. what happened to just TIG welding them?
thanks,Chuck

04-03-2006, 04:18 AM	#1
jonsidneyb Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9	9x23 Double Stack Magazine Problems Hello, I have been a fan of the 9x23 before Winchester had it. Trying to remember the name-Ricco I think it is? At a glance, it appears this forum has more info on the 9x23 than any other I have seen. I think I will need to hang out here. I have not had a single problem with 9x23 in a single stack gun. However in double stack I have some guns sitting that I would like to use. I just can't get 100% reliablity unless I only have about 10-11 rounds in the magazine. What I have happening is this. Hmmm-how to describe this. As the double stack magazine is being filled up thing are normal for the first 10 rounds but then as I load them, I see the fronts of the cartridges start to fan out and it gets worse as I load them. The rims of the cartridge are in contact with each other but the foward part of the top cartridge is pulling away from the one below it. I have this going on in three guns, Online I have never seen this problem described in the manner I have but have heard a .38 Super rimless is more reliable. I don't see this happen in any 9x19 magazines. One thing of course, the magazines I use for 9x23 were not made for 9x23 but for .38 Super. What confuses me is I would think the problem with .38 Super would be worse since the rim makes it even wider at the rear??? How odd?

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04-03-2006, 05:28 AM	#2
Dane Burns Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 3,830	What guns and what mags?

04-03-2006, 05:38 AM	#3
jonsidneyb Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9	Tanfoglio Longslide, Tanfoglio Standard, Tanfoglio compact,---this one works the best of all of the guns. I thought it wouldn't with the short slide. I am pretty sure the cut dowm magazines help it. I had two magazines cut down and underwater welded and are now 13 rounders. These mags work if I load to 12 rounds....the full sized ones start giving me a bit of trouble at 11 and get ugly at 12.

04-04-2006, 09:49 AM	#4
eerw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 555	I have had the 9x23 work great in several STI/SV type guns... check you magazine feed lips to see how they hold the round and where the release the round..sounds like the front of the feedlips is not holding the round long enough..

04-13-2006, 04:40 PM	#5
CV WARNER Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NEW MEXICO Posts: 24	I believe you will find Eerw correct..and if I may add my opinion, I think you'll find an unusual anomoly in that if the mags were just a tad wider they would work better. i found this to be the case with one of their early 38 supers that I converted. I dont know the nominal specs but I know that this was the case in that instance. This is assuming all else is correct. I have never had a problem with any of the hi caps with 9x23 once checked and tuned. I carry a 9x23 para. Good Luck p.s. its my understanding that Mr. Burns has as much or more exp. with this cartridge than anyone....

04-13-2006, 04:44 PM	#6
CV WARNER Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NEW MEXICO Posts: 24	underwater welded?....do tell. what happened to just TIG welding them? thanks,Chuck