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Old 08-17-2002, 04:02 PM   #1
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Do I want a 9x23

What advantage does the 9x23 over:
a 40sw/357 sig 5" 1911?
a hot loaded 38 super (Cor-Bon)?
a 45 acp?
I train and carry a pistol for self defense not into games, shoot IDPA as part of training.
I'm always looking for a better mouse trap.
 
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Old 08-18-2002, 05:15 PM   #2
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Try it and see for yourself. Many people have seen the advantages.
 
Old 08-18-2002, 06:05 PM   #3
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Dane is working on a 9x23 for me, as I was sold on the ballistics.

Basically a .357 Magnum in a semi-auto. I believe the closest round which you mentioned would be the .357 Sig, but that is in velocity only (approx. 50 fps slower than the 9x23).

As I understand it, the 9x23 is flatter shooting, doesn't have the "flame thrower" muzzle blast, doesn't sound like an HK 53 indoors, has much less muzzle rise during recoil, and cycles faster, is reliable in the 1911 with it's OAL, and you can have 1 in the chamber plus 10 in the mag.
What else could you want for "social work"? For the range, just lighten the load?

Let us know if you build one.
 
Old 08-18-2002, 06:10 PM   #4
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Re: Do I want a 9x23

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What advantage does the 9x23 over:
a 40sw/357 sig 5" 1911?
Short OAL cartridges tend to not be as feed-reliable in a 1911. 9x23 can go hotter with the heavier bullets than .357 Sig. More muzzle energy than either.
a hot loaded 38 super (Cor-Bon)?
Better ballistics, case less inclined to blow up with hot loads thanks to a MUCH stronger case.
a 45 acp?
Flatter shooting, more bullets in the magazine (10 vs 8 ), theoretically more reliable in a 1911.
I train and carry a pistol for self defense not into games, shoot IDPA as part of training.
I'm always looking for a better mouse trap.
9x23 is probably the better mousetrap for self-defense against people, basically everything I've heard about it is great except ammo availability.
 
Old 08-19-2002, 12:52 PM   #5
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Others are better suited to comment on its usefullness for defense, but I can comment on the caliber.

I used a stock Colt 9x23 for two seasons of IDPA ESP devision and found the cartridge to be fantastic. It was 100% reliable- with Winchester white box and Silvertips the gun literally never malfunctioned once. What's more, something about the caliber seems to offer easy, very fast shooting. I find single stack and double stack 9x23's to be easier to shoot fast with than a 9x19- the recoil impusle seems to quickly jump back on target. The fastest Bill Drill's I've ever shot have been with this caliber.

The brass seems to last forever too.

I don't use it now, but if I ever build and Open gun for USPSA it will be in 9x23. The .38 Super is great too- but the brass isn't much cheaper, so if you are starting from the ground up try the 9x23.

Brent
 
Old 08-19-2002, 02:19 PM   #6
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Re: Do I want a 9x23

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What advantage does the 9x23 over:
a 40sw/357 sig 5" 1911?
a hot loaded 38 super (Cor-Bon)?
a 45 acp?
more bullets than 40/.357sig
inherently more reliable than the 38 super. (no rim, taper case)
more bullets than a .45.

Not sure if its a better mousetrap, but I am very happy with all of my 9x23s. The cartridge/gun combo has been reliable, consistent, easy to control. I get 10+1 rounds of a 125gr bullet going about 1450fps-1520fps.
 
Old 08-20-2002, 06:13 AM   #7
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I echo the points already taken above. A seemingly short recoil pulse with less muzzle rise ( my perception) is a plus I see, less "whippy" than .40S&W, a lot less muzzle rise than .45acp. To me the recoil impulse seems to be more of straight push at the web of my strong hand. In the case of Winchester brass, 9x23 is designed to take pressures in the upper 40k cup range. No other pistol round is designed for that kind of pressure that I am aware of. ( .357 SIG is in the lower 40k cup range)
 
Old 08-20-2002, 07:00 AM   #8
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One other advantage to a 9x23

aside from still being able to shoot .38 Stupor in it, you will have a caliber comparatively few others have. Kind of exclusive, if you will.
 
Old 08-25-2002, 01:08 PM   #9
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Sean:

On the ammo, there is not a wide range of choices available, but the 2 built by Winchester are fabulous. For "white box" ammo, the 9x23 is awesome stuff. My favorite caliber in a handgun...although my .45's, 10's, 9's, .38super, .45colt, .44spec, and .22's aren't leaving the farm any time soon
 
Old 08-26-2002, 08:22 AM   #10
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Is 9x23 considered major for USPSA?
 
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