eerw

Has anyone one done this conversion. Classic Pistol Indoor Range in PA offers this conversion. Is this John Ricco's place. He invented the case, so I was thinking this might be a pretty cool conversion. Anyone??

Kyle Farris

I am wondering about this too.

What would you have to do to make the mags work?

eerw

Hey Kyle..you know I don't know what they do..but the website for classic pistol says they offer this conversion. So I imagine they do the work doing the conversions of the gun and mags. I was hoping someone here might have one or seen one.

Mark Garrity

Yes, Classic Pistol is John Ricco's shop and indoor range and they do offer the 9 X 23 Glock conversions there. The facility is about 40 minutes from my house and i go there regularly, but can't help with any more info on the reliabilty or procedure of the conversion. Mr Difabio would be the one to answer this.
Dave... are you out there?...

Kyle Farris

I sent an email to Classic Pistol a while back requesting info on the G20/9x23 conversion. I haven't heard back. It has been long enough that I should have heard something...even from a pistolsmith :razz:

Bruce

I hear there are reliability problems with the Glock 20 & 29 conversions to 9x23. If David says otherwise, I will bank on his word and ship one off.

Guys,
Sorry for the delay I just found this post, somewhere on this board we went through the 9x23 Glock conversion questions. In a nut shell they work very well and the "coversion" is a matter of fitting a Barsto 9x23 drop in barrel. I have both the model 20 and 29 in 9x23 and I must say that the model 29 in 9x23 is probably the "best" Glock ever..
The Barsto barrel is larger in diameter to fit the Glock slide so you also get the advantage of a "heavy" barrel in the Glock.
This combo is wickedly fast in rapid fire and very accurate.
The added magazine capacity is also a welcome change, the 10rd become 12rd and the 15rd full size become 17rd magazines.
With the larger Plus +2 floor plates your model 20 mags will hold 20rds of 9x23. This is a great "conversion". Depending on your mags you may need to tweak the lips inward slightly, the new FML drop free mags do not need tweaking.
This makes the model 20/29 a truly great dual caliber gun.

JLM

David,

How much does Ricco charge to do the conversions? I couldn't find anything on his website pricewise. Thanks :grin:

He doesn't really charge for a "coversion" as they are not gunsmiths. All you need to do is call Barsto and order the barrel for $185.00, they do not list it on their website.
Once the barrel comes install it and go shoot, after a few hundred rounds it will "fit" itself and become noticeably easier to cycle, it will be tight when you first start shooting it.

JLM

Cool, pretty much sounds like a no brainer really :smile: I am amazed however that all it takes is the barrel. One would think that there would be some other tweaking involved in order to get it to run right, like extractor etc.

Are you shooting the factory Winchester whitebox out of it, or any other hot loads? :grin:

Chris Oslin

Does this conversion work with the .40's or the .45's, or just the 10mm's?

eerw

I am only guessing, but I think the reason the 10mm version was picked is because it is the closet to fitting the case length (magazines) and the breechface fitting the 9x23. So probably the easiest to make fit. only my guess..Great..now I gotta go find a G20 and mags..

Chris,
The conversion does not work with the .40 caliber guns as the cartridge length is too long. It functions in the 10mm models due to closeness in size and the Glock extractor design gives good functional reliability. I would not recomend trying it in a .45 caliber size gun. As an FYI you can also shoot .38 Super and with a seperate barrel you cna shoot .357 Sig, the .38 Super loads are not as accurate as 9x23 in the Glocks.
I do use Winchester white box and Silvertip loads. Now if only Glock would make a single stack G36 size gun in 10mm, that would make a really fine 9x23 carry gun...with 9 rounds in the mag, yes I tried it already, I may even have the breech face on my G36 welded up and recut to .40 caliber, same old solutions, time and money right?

JLM

Thanks again David :grin:

Randall_1611

David, a question on 9x23 in the 20 or 29. Did you do anything as far as recoil spring? Just use stock weight? Super will run in 9x23?

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Randall,
Although chamber pressures are high on the 9x23 it is a drop down in power from the 10mm, the stock 10mm recoil springs are more than sufficent for the 9x23. The .38 Super will work in the 9x23 but I am not sure why you would want to use it? I cannot find a legitimate need for it that 9x23 0r 10mm cannot accomplish.

Randall_1611

David, Just wanted to know what can be used if need be. Running stock recoil springs in my 29 but have heard rummors that they are on the light side, probable more BS (the singer). Thanks for the rapid reply! Mike

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Chris Oslin

David: Thanks for the reply,

"Chris,
The conversion does not work with the .40 caliber guns as the cartridge length is too long. It functions in the 10mm models due to closeness in size and the Glock extractor design gives good functional reliability. I would not recomend trying it in a .45 caliber size gun. As an FYI you can also shoot .38 Super and with a seperate barrel you cna shoot .357 Sig, the .38 Super loads are not as accurate as 9x23 in the Glocks."

So what kind of ballistics do we get with a Model 20 in a 9X23? Bullet weight & velocity?

And for the site - who makes the barrel?

Thanx -

Chris,
I have not chrono'd the G29 with 9x23 ammo, yet?
Subjectively, the 9x23 feels almost "wimpy" out of the G29, the barsto barrel helps to weight the muzzle of the gun quite a bit. The barrel is made to match the OD of the Glock 10mm barrel.
It is however quite loud, definitely not "wimpy" peformance wise, you can tell you fired something that is pretty hot, it just seems to recoil very little. The plus is that you get a true heavy barrel without being a "bull" barrel.
As an side, does anyone know if this modification would be elligible under IDPA as a non-bull barrel?

The G20 and G29 barrels I use are from Barsto, they do not list the barrels on their website but they do produce and sell them for $185.00 each, at least that is what my last barrel cost me.

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eerw

David...

Ok you probably went over this before..but you took a G20 and a G29

Put in a BarSto 9x23 barrel.
Used the same mags w/o modification. and you were good to go?
That sounds easy...is it that easy?

If you have the new FML mags you will not need to bend the mag lips, if you have older mags you will need to tweak them just slightly, the 10mm is a higher power round so you do not need to change your recoil springs, purchase a Barsto 9x23 "drop in" barrel it will be tight, but it will function.
Have fun with your new dual caliber Glock, oh and mag capacities rise by two in the G29 and up to 3 in the G20. With the larger plus 2 floor plates my pre ban G20 mags hold 20 rds of 9x23.

eerw

oohhh man....thanks David

gotta go find a G29 now..

Randall_1611

The price went up $5.00 on Barsto and they are finishing up a batch this week! :smile: Mike

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Chris Oslin

A G-29 with this setup seems to be the way to go. How do the 9X23's ballistics in a Glock compare to a .357 Sig?

The Model 23 or even Model 27 with a .357 Sig barrel (if anyone makes one?) would be a much smaller package, if the ballistics are similar. Is there a Model 27 size retro for a .357 Sig?

I would dare say that recoil management would be much more difficult in the smaller guns, however.

Randall_1611

Chris, when the 357 sig came out I looked into a barrel for my 23 and found out since it was a very early one (had recall in '89 for trigger part replacement, as close as I can remember) that it wouldn't handle the conversion where the new ones could. I didn't check into it further. :smile: Mike
PS: This was information on 357 sig.from Glock when finaly sent in for the upgrade

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Chris,
The .357Sig Glocks are indeed very good guns even if Glock calls them .357... the real benefit is achieved with the 9x23/10mm dual caliber option.
The G29 in 9x23 with the "heavy" Barsto barrel is a very nice, very fast shooting pistol.
I have very limited intrest in a 9mm or .40 pistol (Walther P99 Sig P210,and HK P7 not withstanding)but I do like the .357 Sig in the G33.
Ballistics from the G31 are close to the 1911 numbers I posted under 9x23/10mm.

isaidme

Whats wrong with the 10mm round why the 9x23?The 10mm round is hot as hell and so is the 40cal,so why the need to convert for a round thats not going to be on the shelf?

Randall_1611

Why the 9x23 and 10mm on the same frame.? It's more like having a second option with a conversion set up. I have a glock .22 top and a 1911 Bullseye Match .22 top. Jusk because the mountain is there and to do it. :grin: Mike

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The 9x23 is not meant to and cannot replace the 10mm. It is meant however as a very easy to shoot alternative round that places the G29 or the G20 in an alternate power/recoil level.
The G29 in 9x23 does offer a substantial increse in "stopping power" over the 10mm light loads and anything you can load in .40 caliber. For people who count these things the fully loaded G20 mag with larger +2 floor plate offers 21 rds in a fully loaded pistol the size of a G23 with the very potent and easy shooting 9x23 round.

Randall_1611

David, it took 17 days to get here, just dropped right in, and the 19x23 is running without a glitch with both magazines. Only UMC 38 super had a problem but it would not fit the chamber out of the gun. It made short work of a bowling pin.

The barrel crown was not as good looking as I expected and just under the hood from 9 O'clock to 2 O'clock was a slight step made with a mill tool of .286", :roll: but a few strokes with a stone should take care of it. Just looks and might (very unlikely) be a place for stress to develope.

Primers on the Win. Silvertip show a good mark of the breach face and striker, and are above the case head enough to feel. There is some horsepower there too. Put the 10 mm back on to kick it into overdrive.

No check on accuracy, just on function. It "Rocks". :grin: Mike

Eugene D. Goodwin

Wow! this is good info. I recently shot a G32c (.357sig with the built in comp) and liked it so much I was just about to buy one. But after seeing this I'm going with my original plan of the 10mm with bbl swap.

Can the Barsto bbl be had with porting? Or could it be magnaported? That would be excellent.
Also is there a medium size 10mm Glock yet? the 32c I shot was just about perfect size. The 29 seems a bit on the small side while the 20 is bigger than what I'd like in something I may want to conceal.

Jack Beauchamp

Hey Eugene. Look who registered.
Now I want a Glock 29 or maybe a 9x23 barrel swap for my (formerly yours) model 30!

Keep at it guys,
Maybe if Glock finally recognizes the need they will produce a factory gun.
Of course one can always hope and I would really like a single stack 10 shot G20 size pistol with a G36 thickness and a G23 grip size...

Eugene D. Goodwin

Cool beans Jack, lots of info to digest here.

And it seems it's 9x23 mania! :grin: I know I got the bug.

Chris Oslin

Yes, Gentlemen, there is LOTS of good info here to digest.

Thanx for dropping in.

Peter Loron

Now I just need to figure out how to get one of these critters past the Chancellor of the Exchecquer... :grin:

Eugene D. Goodwin

That should be fun eh?...hopefully theres no body cavity search involved! :grin: :grin: :lol:

Jagster

I like the idea of the 9X23 holding more rounds but is the round a better round than the .357sig?

I have seen several drop in barrels for the Glock 20 in .357sig and .40SW and I believe the case diameter is the same as the 10mm case. I just wondered which would be better and more reliable? After all you might have to use it to save your life.

I think a few extra rounds are nice but I'm still debating this conversion myself. I enjoyed reading the very informative comments and hope the conversion works out for those that try it!!

Randall_1611

Jagster:

So far the 9x23 Win. has been 100% reliable in my glock, just waiting on more ammo out to build up my brass supply.(Don't like the cost of Silvertips as only thing on the shelves here.) The Win. brass is one of the strongest along with 10mm brass and the profile nearly matches the 10mm.

I see no need to run the .357 Sig and the 40 Short & Week in a large frame glock. :roll: The 40 is fine in the smaller guns, then I like 165 corbons or 180 grain loads.

When it comes down to a choice, heavy 10mm loads are the way to go. :grin: The .45 is still the best pre-expanded bullet going for pistols. Just my two cents! Mike

Peter Loron

Do any of you who have made the G20 or G29 (yeah!) conversion have enough data for good reliability numbers so far? X failures to feed in Y rounds, etc?