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Old 01-22-2002, 12:09 AM   #1
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Let us know if you are using Proload in any caliber, and what you think of it so far. Thanks :smile: .

FWIW, I've been trying out Proload for awhile now, specifically the .40 180gr JHP as well as the .45 230gr JHP. Quality and function are outstanding. It's far above what's being put out by the big three, IMHO.

My only issue so far has been with the accuracy of the Proload .40 180gr load in my two Glock 23's. It's pretty sad.

Oddly, the most accurate load I've used in these guns is the one brand that seems to catch hell from everyone else for being inaccurate - Remington Golden Saber. My only problems with this load, and I've fired a whole lot of it, is the price and availability. The price seems to go up quite a bit each year and correspondingly, fewer dealers will carry it.


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Old 01-22-2002, 06:52 PM   #2
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I use ProLoad 9mm 115gr+p @1300fps in my Glock19 carry gun. It is the most accurate load I have ever fired thru any gun I have ever shot!!
 
Old 01-23-2002, 03:08 PM   #3
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Have used the 124g Gd 9mm and 230g 45 FMJ+P,perfect function,very clean and more accurate than me.
 
Old 01-23-2002, 10:26 PM   #4
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Pro Load 230gr JHP +P (about 920 fps) is my choice for a carry load in my .45 1911's.

I haven't sandbag or Ransom Rest tested it for accuracy. I haven't even chronographed it for velocity. I like the Gold Dot and I know John makes good ammo. How's that for a non-scientific answer. I just like it.

Carry the 165gr JHP in my Glock .40 and the 124gr JHP in my Kahr P9. All Pro Load all the time. (S&B for practice and matches.)
 
Old 01-23-2002, 10:41 PM   #5
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Thanks guys :smile: .

Rob, I haven't done any chronographing or ransom testing either - never will! I'm concerned only with practical accuracy and downrange performance, which is very good thanks to the high level of QC at Proload as well as the proven Gold Dot bullet.

We can only hope that Proload won't go the way of many small ammo makers, where quality is hit and miss. Here today, gone tomorrow!

It certainly says something when the largest ammo manufacturer in the world, Blount, is getting their asses kicked in terms of quality and price by a small company like Proload.
 
Old 01-24-2002, 08:57 AM   #6
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I use the 9mm 115+p in my custom Glock 19, and the 230+p in my custom .45....awesome power and consistency.
Also, Proload has been around for 20+ years, they will be alright.
 
Old 01-24-2002, 11:52 AM   #7
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I have no experience with Pro-load though we are seeing a lot of good feedback.

Have you guys that have used it disected a round to see if the bullet and primer are sealed? Checked for "set back", etc.?

Thanks.
Jim H.
 
Old 01-24-2002, 03:11 PM   #8
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Jim,

After some experiences of bullet setback with both Speer and Remington ammo I begaan checking this out. I cycled two rounds of the Proload .40 180gr JHP 15 times in a G23 with no setback whatsoever.

Visibly it doesn't seem to be sealed. I'll toss a few rounds in a glass of water an try 'em out this weekend. I've also E-mailed Proload about this.

Cheers,
Clay
 
Old 01-25-2002, 01:15 AM   #9
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http://www.ammolab.com for some pics and results of the .40 Proload 180gr JHP.
 
Old 01-25-2002, 09:01 PM   #10
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I like the 10mm from these folks very much.
I'm also very glad that they started offer-
ing the practice ammo in 10mm, since there
really isn't a decent supply of plinking
ammo out there.
 
Old 01-29-2002, 06:19 PM   #11
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I just happened to stop by and talk to the guys a Pro Load today ( nice guys by the way ). I have been using there ammo for a while and I like it a lot. They have a small shop, heck I think my apartment is bigger. They seem to be gaining popularity with there excellent quality and are looking for more distributors.

I talked to Matt and he showed me there new 9mm load. It is a 140 grain Nosler bullet made specifically for them. It is a +p and pushing 1100 fps from a 4" barrel, sounds promising.

I would highly recommend that you guys give their products a try if you haven't already.
 
Old 01-30-2002, 06:33 PM   #12
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On 2002-01-24 16:11, Clay wrote:
Jim,

After some experiences of bullet setback with both Speer and Remington ammo I begaan checking this out. I cycled two rounds of the Proload .40 180gr JHP 15 times in a G23 with no setback whatsoever.

Visibly it doesn't seem to be sealed. I'll toss a few rounds in a glass of water an try 'em out this weekend. I've also E-mailed Proload about this.

Cheers,
Clay
Sounds great, let me know how they respond.

In breaking in the new Para 16-40LDA I was using 2 different brands of remanufactured ammo (both FMJ) and both of wich I had seen no previous porblems with.

Since the very first round colapsed on the feedramp, I decide to unchamber and check each round that fed for the first 100... over 25% of one brand and 50% of the other had the bullets pushed as far back in the case as the powder would allow...natuarally I did not fire those.

I just received my new Nowlin barrel...will see how that one works. This seems to be a combination of problems. The brass on these rounds is decidely not sized small but still it works fine in my Glocks and in my S.A. P-9 (CZ-75 clone).

I haven't had so much fun since the hogs ate my baby brother :smile:

Onward,
Jim H.
 
Old 02-10-2002, 05:44 PM   #13
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Jim, I tossed five rounds of Proload .40 cal. 180gr JHP's into a cup of water and left them there for a week. I attempted to fire these rounds today. All rounds failed to fire, even after multiple hits.

A week is probably a bit harsh, but there you have it :smile: .

Cheers,
Clay
 
Old 02-10-2002, 06:42 PM   #14
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I carry Pro Load .45ACP 200gr+P JHP in my Glock 30.
Accurate, precise, reliable, uses the Gold Dot bullet, and has no visible muzzle flash.

I've also shot their 9mm 124gr+P extensively, and like its accuracy and low muzzle flash, though I don't believe the MV (about 1150fps) really deserves a "+P" rating, and prefer something a little warmer.

I don't know about how waterproof they are, but I "always keep my powder dry", anyway. Best.
 
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Yegads! The proload 45-230s work out to $34 per 50 or 30.70 (delivered) if you buy a full case of 500. I paid less than that for factory Speer Gold Dots last week.

How do they compare in quality to the Black Hill's Gold Dot loading and or the Factory Speers?

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Old 02-10-2002, 10:25 PM   #16
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I get my Proload ammo from http://www.ammoman.com as I believe their prices are a bit better. Great service, too.

Proload quality is far above the Speer and Black Hills stuff, IMHO. I've bought and fired alot of each.

YMMV,
Clay
 
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Why do you think ProLoad is better? Reason I ask, is the tests I've seen for 9mm at least show it to be VERY slow for a +P. Now you know I'm not one of those energy junkies, but I do know that the 124gr 9mm Speer GD expands more reliably when loaded hotter. Shawn Dodson suggested 1150fps as the operating window for it.

I like ProLoad as a company, and would gladly buy their products, but they've gotta get their 124gr +P above 1150 fps in an HK P7.

-Morgan
 
Old 02-12-2002, 01:08 AM   #18
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Caesar,

Have you called ProLoad and talked to John?
He's very knowledgeable and helpful, and I suspect he assembled that load at that velocity for a reason. You might enjoy the experience and find out why he's not loading it to higher velocity. :smile:
 
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I've shot a great many rounds of the ProLoad .45 230gr.+p with the Gold dot HP. I used this as a test round while at Gunsite. I found it to be the most accurate and CONSISTENT factory round anywhere. I never considered price, as I was looking for results. John Koppel delivered on every promise he ever made to me. Now,I won't carry anything else,(even now that I have to buy the stuff). The care in manufacturing shows through in every box, and how many ammo companies can you call, and talk to the OWNER? This is a small concern in a big company dominated field - I think they deserve our support. The big guys will always be around, but we sure need the little guy, too. Price? Quality and reliability aren't expensive, they're priceless. If you haven't tried ProLoad, it's time.
 
Old 02-12-2002, 06:56 PM   #20
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I really like Pro Load's 10mm ammo, for all the reasons everybody has listed here. Better accuracy, great customer service, visibly better quality control and their 10mm ammo is loaded nice & hot. He also doesn't goof around with cheap bullets, sticking by and large to the great Gold Dot.
 
Old 02-12-2002, 07:01 PM   #21
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On 2002-01-24 12:52, Jim Higginbotham wrote:

Have you guys that have used it disected a round to see if the bullet and primer are sealed?

Thanks.
Jim H.
Jim,
Just how much of an issue is this for normal CCW use ?

Neal
 
Old 02-12-2002, 08:14 PM   #22
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Have you guys that have used it disected a round to see if the bullet and primer are sealed?
Jim,
Just how much of an issue is this for normal CCW use ?
Neal
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I would consider it quite important, depending on the makeup of the rounds.

Sealing the bullet has a lot to do with preventing "set-back" in those nice looking rounds made with unfired cases...at least in autloading calibers. Sealing the primer is only important if you keep your ammo in the gun and spare mags for more than a couple of months or you keep rounds in a humid environment.

However cases that have received a full lentgh *tight* sizing (and thus are not quite as pretty)offer a good resistance to set-back and don't have to be sealed for functional reasons. They do for moisture proofing, but they should be OK if you change out carry ammo frequently. Shelf storage whould be OK for a year or two.

Lee Juras and George Nonte always sealed their hunting handloads...they thought it was fairly important. I don't but then I might if I was paying 10Gs to go to Africa.

Food for thought,
Jim H.
 
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Jim,
Thanks for the response. I'm not so concerned about bullet setback, as I can see if that is happening on rounds I remove from the chamber, but moisture getting into the powder or primer would be most disappointing. I have fired rounds that I have carried for months and months and have never had one fail to fire, but on the other hand, I have driven several hundred thousand miles and never has a seatbelt saved me, but I still wear one every day. My point is, if non-sealed rounds fail from moisture contamination in normal carry, even if only occasionally, then I would want to do something to prevent it. Kind of like Dane using the very best parts in his guns to reduce the chances of failure to almost zero. My prefered ammo is not sealed. What can be done? Nail polish around the primer ?
To keep in line with this thread, I do carry Pro Load in 10mm, another brand in .45 ACP, but I am going to try 230 gr +P Pro Load next time I buy ammo.

Thanks,
Neal
 
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I guess I don't get it. I have used ProLoads in my .45. Good ammo no doubt. But in all the tests I have seen the bullets and loads are not magic. The ballistics can be matched by most factory loads at half the price. And before someone says what price would I put on my family's safety, I must say the same about custom guns. If you can afford them, great but neither custom guns or custom ammo will save your life in a shootout; reliability and shot placement will.

I believe a highly trained shooter can do just as good of work with a stock (reliable) pistol and Winchester white box JHP.
 
Old 02-13-2002, 10:36 PM   #25
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Rob-

While I'm not a big velocity fan by any means, he advertises it as having a velocity of 1200fps. Speer advertises a velocity of 1220. Not much difference.

The Speer bullet in the P7M8 test I have available to me did 1183.
The ProLoad bullet did 1089.

Speer lost ~37fps in the P7, most guns lose some in the P7 despite it's 4.13" polygonal barrel.

ProLoad lost 111fps.

10 round averages and I checked the numbers myself.

They make the fastest load around for .357SIG, and are plenty fine in the other calibers, but if they want me to buy their 9mm, they're gonna have to load it faster. Not for more "energy" for more expansion reliability.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs9.htm

At 1155fps it did fine Very good in fact.
at 1068fps it over-penetrated in denim covered gel, and just barely penetrated enough in bare gel.
13.2"/16.1"
12.6"/17.5"

at 1068fps one (of 3) of the Speer Gold Dots completely exited the block.

The 124gr Speer Gold Dot bullet NEEDS velocity to expand reliably. It doesn't have any trouble penetrating.

Maybe the powder ProLoad is using doesn't get along with P7's.

http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/chrono/9mm.htm
124gr +P out of a Glock 19 4" barrel:
ProLoad: 1129fps.
Georgia Arms: 1208fps.

Again, I like ProLoad as a company, and I'd gladly buy their .357SIG ammo, and .40, and .45, and 10mm ammo, as I've seen it performs well.

But for my P7, with 124gr ammo, it just doesn't meet my needs.

If I can get my hands on a chrono, I'll buy a box of ProLoad, and test it out of my gun. But otherwise I'm going to stick to the Speer's, and/or GA. At least until David's ammo report comes out ( http://www.ammolab.com ), at which point I might re-evaluate my chosen load. But the 124gr Gold Dot has the most testing available to me behind it, and it almost always does well.

-Morgan


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Of the ProLoad ammo that I've fired, I found it to have excessive muzzle flash. I tried 38 spl and 9mm ammo. Other than that, it shot like the rest of them!
 
Old 04-21-2002, 04:49 PM   #27
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muzzle flash? I have seen none. I have fired 9 and 45. I have watched my wife shoot many of them also and saw no flash. I tried to take some pics of it and all I got was a few sparks. This is using a high speed digital camera. All I got was sparks and a blurry slide. Corbon on the other hand flash's to beat all . Over all , this is much better than any other round I have fired. IE corbon, Hydroshocks , Golddots , sabers and the like.
Well thats my two cents.
 
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I've used the Proload 230gr and the 185gr in .45acp. I've also used their 124gr in 9mm. I like them very much, but in terms of low muzzle flash, I haven't found anything that beats the Golden Sabers, and that's why they're my usual choice.
 
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Jim,
Thanks for the response. I'm not so concerned about bullet setback, as I can see if that is happening on rounds I remove from the chamber, but moisture getting into the powder or primer would be most disappointing.
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Thanks,
Neal
Neal;
By coincidence I just ran into a problem. I had some remanufactured ammo by a company that produces a lot (they shall remain nameless since this is not a quality control issue). I had left some in the back of the Bronco for a little over 6 months and was shooting up some of the .38 Spl. (shhh don't tell anyone I own a .38 :wink: ) and two of the rounds did not make it out of the barrel (fortunately I did clear the first one out of the barrel before the second one failed). In one the powder obviously did not go off since the bullet was stuck between the cylinder and the forcing cone, the other made it half way down the 4" barrel.

This does not mean, one should not carry non-sealed ammo. It means one should not abuse his ammo, like I did

Best regards,
Jim H.
 
Old 06-24-2002, 06:01 PM   #30
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FWIW, the Black Hills ammo I recently purchased from Georgia Precision had the primers sealed.

www.georgiaprecision.com

Best regards,
Clay
 
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[quote from Jim H.]
This does not mean, one should not carry non-sealed ammo. It means one should not abuse his ammo, like I did

Best regards,
Jim H.[/quote]



Jim,
Thanks for the tip.

Neal
 
Old 09-08-2002, 03:19 PM   #32
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I have pulled some Proload 180 grainers in .40. It looks as though there is a slight ridge on the bullet preventing setback. Check it out! I haven't had any setback in the Proload rounds I load in 9 and .40.
 
Old 10-23-2002, 04:00 PM   #33
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Just a heads-up: ProLoad is now a bulk ammo distributor. They have some pretty decent prices on S&B ammo: $105/case 9mm, $170/case of 45ACP. Add actual FedEx Ground to your location.

I've had great luck with ProLoad and their customer service, so I'll be buying my bulk ammo from them!

http://www.proload.com

(I'm not affiliated with them in any way. Just a happy customer.)

Tim
 
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8) Pro-Load and Blackhills ( I prefer) work well in my H&K pistols. I like the Speer Gold Dots. I use the 124g +P in my P7M8, and the 200g +P in the .45F. There are a lot of good bullets out there. These work for me. The Federal Hydor-Shock is an old "classic" in .45. It has and will continue to kill a lot of bad guys. I also like the Remington 185g +P Golden Sabre. These are all good bullets. We can talk a lot about bullets and guns, etc. Basic truth, is you have to shoot stright....Practice with what ever you have. Accuracy is more important than who has the biggest gun. Just my thoughts, good luck to all of you.
 
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