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Old 01-03-2005, 09:32 PM   #1
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Custom Ruger Redhawk



This is just about the most elaborate Ruger I ever did. The customer wanted it for metallic silhouete shooting and hunting. The bbl is an 8 1/2 in Douglas premium stainless. The rib is something else. Nothing being available I desided to make it from a piece of B&S steel 1/2 by 3/4 inch. I decided to vent it like a Python and installed it with 3 Allen screws. The rear sight was a Wichita which is very accurate in adjustment. I was amazed that after 50 rounds the rwecoil sheared the 3 screws so I put 2 cross pins into the rib so half went into the rib radius and half into the bbl radius. This did the job. The venting of the rib was time consuming and must have taken about 4 hours to do. I used the same type front sight that used interchangeable blades. The under rib brought the total weight of the pistol to 80 onces. It was meant to be shot from a rest or prone altho my son and his wife managed to fire a few shots offhand.

It was great to build something copletely different, I was always known to be a smith who would tackle anything, so long as it shot a pistol cartridge
 
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Old 01-05-2005, 06:53 PM   #2
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I am pretty sure I saw that pistol in a gunshop in SC about 15 years ago.
WOW~
 
Old 01-06-2005, 04:28 PM   #3
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Hey Austin - couldn't you find a longer barrel to put on that blaster? Nice work. I've always had a thing for big bore revolvers.
 
Old 01-07-2005, 07:19 AM   #4
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Great silhouette gun I should think!

Austin, I did a project about 8 years ago, finished it up for a gunsmith friend who was dying. He had started it for his son, I thought it was a great idea-- a Super Redhawk rebarrelled and rechambered to .45 Winchester Mag, to be used with full moon clips. Cutting the threads for the barrel and trying it in the frame, I galled them together...... what a job getting the barrel back out, but fortunately, all the damage was to the barrel so "all I had to do" was start over on it. The blank Tony had provided was from Olympic (stainless). I never thgouth too highly of their stuff and this barrel in the first few rounds got jacket-fouled like I've never seen, but after a some rounds downrange I shot one of my best-ever 50 yard groups with it.

I had to modify the full moon clips because the extractor cut on the WinMag cases is a larger diameter. I Dremeled the clips and the end result was functional but not perfect. I wanted to get some clips made on a wire EDM but the money was not there for it.
 
Old 01-07-2005, 09:33 AM   #5
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Olympic bbls

Ned, finny you should mention bad bbls. A gunsmith friend of mine in Poughkeepse, N.Y. decided to build a 38 conversion on a Colt super, the type I and afew others were building at the time. He wanted it to be right so he bought a blank from the outfit in West Hurley, N.Y close by. He worked like a dog on this and when he test fired it could get only 5 to6 in groups at 50 yards. He told me what blank he used and I told him that was his problem. This is why, if I didnt convert the super bbl Id use only a Douglas blamk 1 in 14 and bore 156 157. All the accuracy job in the world will not correct a bad bbl. This is why Al Dinan made a bbl tester and shot every bbl for group before using it. Ill tell the story about this tester and his completed machine rest soon so hold your breath. Austin
 
Old 01-13-2005, 01:21 PM   #6
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barrel tester

I, being really friendly with Alton Dinan, after he died in a car accident his wife called me and said that I should have Als bbl tester and gun tester. This unit was especially designed to test a bbl before using it in a pistol. I have this rest. He designed it to mount on a cast iron base and you put the bbl in a holder which similated a pistol. The bbl was held in a collet and then pushed up onto a pin which was like a slide stop. It was pushed up by a Mauser bolt action with a cable release so when the bbl was locked in place with a round in the chamber you fired it with the cable release. He fired 10 shot groups and if they measured under 2 1/2 inches at 50 yards he would use them. As he often said that if the bore doesnt shoot, all the accuracy job in the world would not help. I wonder how many smiths realize this.

He also had a unit that resembled a lathebed, with a fixture that held a 1911 frame solidly in place and allowed it to recoil back on the ways and tip up slightly. The pistol was set in the fixture and a rifle scope on a vblock was set on the slide with a slide stop so the whole mount could be sighted on a target 50 yards away. As Al always said you have to be sure the pistol is sights are on the same spot each time a shot is fired. To proove this he would fire a shot and replace the scope and the cross hairs would be off an inch or so. You must give the pistol the same chance as when you are shooting offhand and line up the sights before firing it.

After Al died his wife told me that if I wanted the rest to come and get it as she knew of our friendship. I did get it but never had a place to set it up and all I have left is the bbl tester. This machine rest was written up in one of the Rifleman mags one year. Al was a great gunsmith and I miss him alot. Austin
 
Old 01-13-2005, 01:22 PM   #7
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barrel tester

I, being really friendly with Alton Dinan, after he died in a car accident his wife called me and said that I should have Als bbl tester and gun tester. This unit was especially designed to test a bbl before using it in a pistol. I have this rest. He designed it to mount on a cast iron base and you put the bbl in a holder which similated a pistol. The bbl was held in a collet and then pushed up onto a pin which was like a slide stop. It was pushed up by a Mauser bolt action with a cable release so when the bbl was locked in place with a round in the chamber you fired it with the cable release. He fired 10 shot groups and if they measured under 2 1/2 inches at 50 yards he would use them. As he often said that if the bore doesnt shoot, all the accuracy job in the world would not help. I wonder how many smiths realize this.

He also had a unit that resembled a lathebed, with a fixture that held a 1911 frame solidly in place and allowed it to recoil back on the ways and tip up slightly. The pistol was set in the fixture and a rifle scope on a vblock was set on the slide with a slide stop so the whole mount could be sighted on a target 50 yards away. As Al always said you have to be sure the pistol is sights are on the same spot each time a shot is fired. To proove this he would fire a shot and replace the scope and the cross hairs would be off an inch or so. You must give the pistol the same chance as when you are shooting offhand and line up the sights before firing it.

After Al died his wife told me that if I wanted the rest to come and get it as she knew of our friendship. I did get it but never had a place to set it up and all I have left is the bbl tester. This machine rest was written up in one of the Rifleman mags one year. Al was a great gunsmith and I miss him alot. Austin
 
Old 01-13-2005, 01:22 PM   #8
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barrel tester

I, being really friendly with Alton Dinan, after he died in a car accident his wife called me and said that I should have Als bbl tester and gun tester. This unit was especially designed to test a bbl before using it in a pistol. I have this rest. He designed it to mount on a cast iron base and you put the bbl in a holder which similated a pistol. The bbl was held in a collet and then pushed up onto a pin which was like a slide stop. It was pushed up by a Mauser bolt action with a cable release so when the bbl was locked in place with a round in the chamber you fired it with the cable release. He fired 10 shot groups and if they measured under 2 1/2 inches at 50 yards he would use them. As he often said that if the bore doesnt shoot, all the accuracy job in the world would not help. I wonder how many smiths realize this.

He also had a unit that resembled a lathebed, with a fixture that held a 1911 frame solidly in place and allowed it to recoil back on the ways and tip up slightly. The pistol was set in the fixture and a rifle scope on a vblock was set on the slide with a slide stop so the whole mount could be sighted on a target 50 yards away. As Al always said you have to be sure the pistol is sights are on the same spot each time a shot is fired. To proove this he would fire a shot and replace the scope and the cross hairs would be off an inch or so. You must give the pistol the same chance as when you are shooting offhand and line up the sights before firing it.

After Al died his wife told me that if I wanted the rest to come and get it as she knew of our friendship. I did get it but never had a place to set it up and all I have left is the bbl tester. This machine rest was written up in one of the Rifleman mags one year. Al was a great gunsmith and I miss him alot. Austin
 
Old 01-13-2005, 05:58 PM   #9
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Austin, at one time I came very close to making a ficture for 1911 barrels only, that would have a Mauser action for firing. Glad I didn't though as it would have been a lot of work and nowadays I feel the only "bad" barrels come from the factory, and most of them are not awful. One of the best, if not the best, 1911 groups I ever fired was with a stock Kimber, that really surprised me. I don't know of an aftermarket 1911 barrel that's bad at this time.
 
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