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Old 03-30-2003, 09:05 AM   #1
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Melonite? Anyone?

Any further information on the melonite finish. Could one have a 1911 "melonited"? Has any one done that and what were the results. Will the 1075 F degree bath heat cause problems with the metalurgy of the frame and slide?

Seems to me that a tenifer like treatment/finish would be great on a 1911.

I have been unable to find in depth information on the treatment as it applies to firearms. There is at least one firm on the west coast that will do it as well as one gunsmithing shop that will farm out the treatment/coating ( probably to the first company) .

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old 03-31-2003, 07:32 AM   #2
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Locally in So. CA, there is a gunsmith that prefers using melonite. You might want to give them a call:

www.egsw.com.
 
Old 12-17-2007, 02:32 PM   #3
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Is anyone else other than EGSW offering meloniting?

Chris @ EGSW just quoted me $349 to melonite a complete 1911; turnaround may vary as guns are sent to Burlington in batches, but he said to figure about a week. He also quoted me about $179 to melonite just a slide (e.g. for an aluminum framed 1911).
 
Old 12-19-2007, 04:01 PM   #4
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Coal Creek Armory offers Melonite for $200.
http://www.coalcreekarmory.com/custom_finishing.html

I have NOT done business with them or even seen a gun they have processed.
 
Old 12-24-2007, 07:40 AM   #5
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I'd like to discuss the temps and time at temp involved. There are also issues with the thin sections on the 1911 frame as well as any checkering. If the process has been thoroughly developed the slide should be easy.

One area which is key is how much dimensional change takes place from the process?

I have a Smith & Wesson M&P9 slide that I will have shipped to IONBOND for W DLC coating. The M&P, H&K, Glock all use melonite/tenifer/tuftride treatment.
 
Old 12-25-2007, 09:54 AM   #6
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One area which is key is how much dimensional change takes place from the process?
Kevin, what exactly do you mean by "dimensional change taking place"? Are you referring to changes in thickness resulting from (possible) minute additional of material (e.g. a slide wall thickness growing from 0.03" to 0.0304"? (I just made those numbers up off the top of my head - so don't read anything into them.) Or are you referring to some dimensions changing because a part may "warp" slightly due to time at a high temperature?

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I have a Smith & Wesson M&P9 slide that I will have shipped to IONBOND for W DLC coating. The M&P, H&K, Glock all use melonite/tenifer/tuftride treatment.
Will IONBOND due complete firearms? Do they have an FFL / gunsmith on staff? Or are they able to W DLC a pistol slide because it is NOT a firearm? Do you have to bead blast / strip any existing finish off the slide before sending it to IONBOND, or do they take care of all prep work before applying W DLC?
 
Old 12-25-2007, 11:02 AM   #7
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The dimensional changes will be small to the eye, and hopefully only microns; that way no extra work (e.g., polishing frame rails) will be required. For a 1911 frame, I'd be concerned about warpage since it's composed of thin sections. If the process is well-understood, developed and, just as importantly, controlled this may not be an issue.

Ionbond does have an FFL and a full-time gunsmith onhand. There are several smiths to work with that work directly with Ionbond.
 
Old 12-25-2007, 12:39 PM   #8
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Ionbond does have an FFL and a full-time gunsmith onhand. There are several smiths to work with that work directly with Ionbond.
Kevin, can you post (or direct me to the correct thread/post) the contact information for Ionbond / on-staff gunsmith? Also, can you do the same for the smiths whom you know work directly with Ionbond? Do you feel comfortable shipping a firearm directly to the Ionbond smith to do the work? On the other hand, I have no problem with sending my gun(s) to a gunsmith who specializes in 1911s and understand what needs to be done and letting him ensure the proper things be done, in the correct order (that's why I'd pay him!).
 
Old 12-26-2007, 08:09 PM   #9
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For Titanium Aluminum Nitride Services:

A.P. & W, Inc.
5229 County Road 99
Newville, Alabama 36353
New Phone number for Alabama: (334) 585-9488
New Fax number: To be announced
Website: http://www.apwcogan.com
Email: service@apwcogan.com

Call Mr. Cogan (I forget his first name) him for details as MMI is no longer a viable source and the costs were too high $450 + shipping + gunsmithing fees. Mine was done "pro bono" as a test. The coating process works as advertised. Last I checked APW Cogan charges about $450 including shipping, stripping and reassembling. Not bad. (This was 2006...) He's the middle-person for BryCoat, Inc.

BryCoat Inc.
PO Box 1976
207 Vollmer Ave
Oldsmar, Forida 34677
Phone: (727) 490-1000
Toll Free: (800) 989-8788
Fax: (727) 490-0233
E-Mail: sales@brycoat.com
Web Site: http://www.brycoat.com

The Following are on the approved list for working with IONBOND/BODYCOTE for applying W DLC. There are other 'smiths, but I'm not aware of the others.

Berryhill Custom, LLC
P.O. Box 6163
Round Rock, TX 78683-6163
Phone: (512) 246-0803
Email: db@berryhillguns.com.
David Berryhill

MICHIGUNS
55017 Flatbush Road
Three Rivers, Michigan 49093
Phone: (269) 273-4867
E-mail: metalmaster@m-guns.com
Website: www.m-guns.com
Ned F. Christiansen

The Accurizer
150 Lange Drive
Troy, Michigan 48098
Phone: (248) 528-1552
Marianne Carniak
 
Old 12-27-2007, 06:38 AM   #10
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First Name?

Bob Cogan's first name is Bob ( or more than likely, Robert).......When I was roamin' parts of the Everglades, Ten thousand Islands, Devil's Garden area.......Gator Hook Honkytonk off of 41....I'd drive up to Clearwater and visit with Cogan.

Bob Cogan.....Loren "Tocht" Brown....Ervin T Roush....Just a few of the Florida characters I've known

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Old 01-01-2008, 08:16 AM   #11
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Berryhill Custom

I just contacted Dave Berryhill and he is not doing Ionbond finishes.

David
 
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I just contacted Dave Berryhill and he is not doing Ionbond finishes.
I stand corrected. I know he was investigating using Melonite which is less expensive than W DLC and performs very well.
 
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IonBond, LLC
Attn: Ryan Flynn
7856 McCloud Road
Greensboro, NC 27409
Phone: 336-665-0005
Fax: 336-665-0035
 
Old 05-18-2008, 07:41 PM   #14
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Can Melonite be applied to stainless? I have a 50BMG bench gun that I would like to make black. I had my HK PSP (P7) done and it turned out beautifully. Price was right too ($0).
 
Old 05-21-2008, 05:38 PM   #15
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Yes, it can. The S&W M&P has all stainless steel and it has been through hardened via Melonite treatment.

There is also a high-end sniper rifle company that uses Melonite (according to one of the reps at SHOT 2006) on their stainless steel barrels.
 
Old 06-10-2008, 04:11 PM   #16
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Who would you recommend, with a fairly short turnaround?
 
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Let me check some of my notes. There are several companies - one who is being spoken of well on www.parkcitiestactical.com (HK P7M8, P7M13 and P7PSP enthusiasts).

Give me a few days and I'll get back with you.
 
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Re: Melonite? Anyone?

Cobalt...I just had a six inch STI slide done in Cobalt (www.plate-tacular.com) and it came out beautiful and HARD! Just make sure that you have drilled any holes you may want. I decided to drill a small hole to pin the front sight. Two Titanium bits later I have a small dent that is polished. I then tried a center punch to break through the plateing...nope.

The look is a little different than hard chrome. It is a pretty silver color. However, I like black guns and two-tone guns, so I am getting the black finish on my slide. (photo of my slide is on the web site)

They put the Cobalt treatment on first and if you want black, it goes on afterwards.

Turn around time is usually two days! The prices are on the web sight. I paid $92.50 to have my slide plated.

Buddy
 
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