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Old 06-19-2004, 04:43 AM   #1
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G26 v G19 experience

Despite the admirably heroic and nearly successful efforts of the "Disciples of Sig" [sic], I've at long last pared my short list to two Glocks for daily CCW: the G26 and the G19. I am in agreement with those who have stated that "the best gun to carry is the one you will carry." Anyone who doubts this might consider his choice in EDC "pocket" knives. I love my USMC KA-BARs--battle-proven serious defensive tools--however, it's my little Al Mar SLB that goes with me everywhere. Thus, I'm looking for a pistol that is simple in operation, dependable, accurate, and discrete.

(FYI: we're talking Central Virgina's sub-tropical hot and muggy summers, schools-closing snows in the winter; 6'-0", 200 broad-shoudered, long armed, medium waisted pounds of fitness.)

The questions remaining are:

1. In terms of practical accuracy, is one more accurate than the other?

2. In terms of control/shooter-comfort (e.g., unpleasant recoil, etc., that would have a negative impact on target re-aquisition, follow-up shots), is one to be prefered over the other?

3. In terms of non-academic arguments (e.g., the inevitible splitting of hairs over fractions of fractions of inches, fractions of fractions of ounces, etc.) have those of you with actual experience with either or both pistols any other recommendations or considerations?



Thanks,

T[/i]
 
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Old 06-19-2004, 07:08 AM   #2
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They're both fine handguns. I don't own a model 19 but I DO own a 17 and a 26. Each has its advantages.

Just as my 17 is more accurate than my 26, I'm sure the 19 is ALSO more accurate than the 26. The 19's 4-inch barrel compared to the 26's 3.5-inch barrel would give it more accuracy, all other things being equal.

None of the 9mm Glocks have much recoil. Of course the smaller and lighter pistols will kick more than the bigger heavier guns but between the 17, 19 & 26 there is very little recoil with ANY of them.

The model 19, with pre-ban magazines, will hold five more rounds than the 26 and that, to me, is a BIG advantage.

The 26 is easier to conceal but the 19 is also very easy to conceal so I don't see much difference there unless you're damn near naked.

The 26 has a grip problem unless you replace your magazine base plates with the Pierce bases. With the stock magazines your little finger is hanging out in space. The Pierce mag base adds half an inch in length and gives you a slick little hook for your pinkie to rest on.

My model 26 is the pistol I almost always carry when I'm riding my bike. It fits perfectly in the left inside pocket of my leather jacket and makes for a nice cross-draw, if needed. I think the 19 would work for me just as well in that pocket because I've also carried my G-30 in there from time to time and it's roughly the same size as the model 19.

Bottom line - Buy both.

If I had to make a choice between the 19 and the 26, and could only have one of them, I believe I'd pick the 19.
 
Old 06-19-2004, 10:13 AM   #3
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Thanks for the info, RamJet. You've confirmed my gut feeling on this one. Of course, you've also caused me to reconsider the G30--the gun that had been a very close #2 to the G19.

In the store, the G30 seemed noticably more bulky than did the G19. My guess is that this was more psychological than anything, as on paper the specs of the two are not all that different.

Admittedly, 10 rounds of .45 ACP is, well, 10 rounds of .45 ACP. What more need be said? The 9mm G19, while "adequate," may not offer any real advantages over the G30 in terms of "carryability" and concealability--call them trade-offs.

Thus, the question comes down to control. I know that I shoot the G17 very well. I had pretty much decided on the G19 for its size and because it just feels good in my hand. Compared to your G19, do you find the G30 more/less/equally controlable? E.g, am I going to have to arm wrestle the G30 when I double-tap or otherwise seek to send repeated quick shots down range, as compared to the 9mm guns?

(FYI: In truth, I kinda cotten to that there 45 clobberer gun over the smaller 'un. It's the recoil thang that keeps me from simply marching into the store and laying my money down.)

Again, many thanks.

T
 
Old 06-19-2004, 10:32 AM   #4
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I don't own a model 19. I own a 17, 26 & 30. Now if you want to post the same "which should I buy" question between the 19 and the 30 I don't even need to ponder that one. Buy the 30.

I don't know what it is about the G-30 but the whole package just works perfectly. I can shoot my model 30 just as accurately as my model 17 with a whole lot more knock-down power out of the 30 and not much added recoil.

If you're only going to buy one Glock for concealed-carry I'd buy the model 30 every time. A magazine full of 185gr or 200gr. +P JHP and you're about as well-armed as you can get.
 
Old 06-19-2004, 11:05 AM   #5
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Oops! My mistake on the 17/19.

I appreciate the info. There is no question as to the effectiveness of the 45ACP over the 9mm. Of course, the same could be argued for the effectiveness of a 10lb. maul over that of a 16 oz. hammer when it comes to driving spikes. Point being that I can swing 16 ozs. of steel much more accurately--and many more times--than I can swing the maul.

. . . then again, those 16-sinkers never swing back--or swing first!

(I think I just settled that debate.)

Seems everythhing is a compromise to one degree or another. Ultimately, my goal is to find something that is enjoyable to shoot, effective in its intended role, and reasonably easy to carry concealed.

Jee-whiz! Seems I am just like everyone else!


Again, thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience.

T
 
Old 06-19-2004, 11:36 AM   #6
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1. Nope, but most people wpuld find the 19 easier to shoot acuratley.

2. They are both 9 littlemeters and hence both easy to shoot with a mild muzzle flip, low torque and low push.

3. 19 fits me and most people better, 26 is smaller and easier to conceal.
 
Old 06-29-2004, 11:32 AM   #7
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I agree with Matt's post...I own a 19, 17, and 30, and between the three, you're definitely going to notice differences in felt recoil, flip, and consequently, follow up shots....the G30 is a .45, and although it's a *soft* shooting .45, especially given its size, it will never be as "light" as a 9mm....is it controllable? Oh yeah....I'd prefer to shoot the G30 than most .45 platforms.

Every Glock forum I go to I see Matt saying basically the same thing: 9mm platform is flat and quick, and given that the popular handgun cartridges are all anemic, choose the one that you'll perform best with....Hopefully that's a good paraphrase. I'm starting to think more and more seriously about this line of reasoning and may just carry my 19 from now on....

By the way, Matt, what are Radway Greens???? Where can I read about them?
 
Old 06-30-2004, 02:10 PM   #8
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Pretty good paraphrase, just pick one you shoot well.

Radway-Green is some british subgun ammo. 95 grJSP that does about 1240 fps out of my litle PM9 or 1460 in my 34.

http://www.rgammunition.com/
http://www.rgammunition.com/9mm-spec.html
 
Old 06-30-2004, 03:57 PM   #9
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wow, that's a light round! I'm guessing it's a breeze to shoot....

hey, didn't you say that you would have worked-over trigger bars available in the near future?
 
Old 07-01-2004, 01:57 PM   #10
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I would say if you have no hi cap 9mm mags then get a Glock model 30.
I am carring one now in an ankle holster.

On the other hand if you have a Glock model 19 hi cap and if you are going to using it as a back up to a full sized 9mm then go with the 26.
A 26 with a model 19 15 round mag in place carries on my ankle no problem and it fits my hand great.

Funny thing if I were limited to 10 rounds then make it a model 30, but if I have hi caps then 9mm with good ammo works just as well.

They don't let me carry my M-4 slung over my should in the USA like they used to let me at home in Israel.

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Old 07-02-2004, 08:38 AM   #11
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They don't let me carry my M-4 slung over my should in the USA like they used to let me at home in Israel.

I agree with you 100%, Yoni: ANY handgun is at best a poor substitute for a rifle; thus, if we choose to go about armed in public we carry them out of necessity and respect for the law. (Insert here the sheepish grin of a man indulging in a guilty pleasure as he pictures himself entering the local Barnes & ig-Noble with his M1-A or AR-15 over his shoulder!)

Oh my.

I had been leaning toward the G19, but there are just too many posts detailing too many problems with it.

I had considered the G36, but it seems to have more than its share of problems, too.

Thus, I am down to the G26 and the G30 . . . and although the G26 has much going for it in terms of being easily concealed, mild recoil, virtually no negative posts/press, etc., I think I am going to go with the G30.

Other than the occasional and subjective complaint regarding the G30's width and weight, I have read nothing negative about it. It seems to work, and work very well at that, for those who use it.

I doubt that I can go wrong with either. Time to just go buy the gun. The sooner I do that, the sooner I can go buy the next gun.

"Now you're thinkin'," said his wife.

T





 
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Old 07-19-2004, 07:25 PM   #13
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26 vs 19

I think there is a big difference in how each of them shoots. And adding the third finger extension isn't always the best idea. The 26 sits in the hollow of the hand, and when you squeeze the stabilization comes from the base of the thumb. The hand and thumb really wrap around the grip more too. With the 19, the hand and thumb don't wrap around as much and the stabilization comes not from the thumb but from the meaty part of the palm. Actually, the raised hump of the 19 grip makes this difference. The difference is very sutle but it is there and when you feel it, you'll have to decide which you like the most. Shooting really shows the difference. When you fire rapidly with the 26, even if you squeeze hard and with two hands, recoil causes the pistol to slightly rotate in your hand. Accuracy suffers if you are paying attention. The third finger extension to me doesn't help. My grip is actually more secure and more firm without the extension than with it. Spend some time watching and feeling how both pistols set into your hand as you apply more and more grip pressure. It takes time but the difference is something that may make you change your opinion about one or another. There really is a difference.
 
Old 07-21-2004, 07:25 AM   #14
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A beat up topic. I have a G19 with over 60,000 rounds through it. I do not care if anyone even doubts me on this. I fired over 1500 last weekend. I have never had any problems........Never had a malfunction of any kind. I would like to say that I have put closer to 80,000 rounds but I stopped counting after 60,000. You can make your own choice and you will but people that I know and it would be in the hundreds that have Glocks and a lot of 19s have zero problems. I had one guy that I went through the academy with that had a problem with a g19. His weapons looked like they were never cleaned and when I took his 19 apart cleaned it and put it back together I fired 100 rounds of +p hps through it and not a single malfunction. He also limp wristing real bad. I fired 1500 rounds through mine last weekend with out cleaning it. I did not have time it was stress combat drills that my buddies and I do to keep sharp. No Malfunctions. And if you truly have a malfunction that is not your fault and I an not say you do not know how shoot so don't take it wrong, talk with glock and they will make it right, fast! 8)
 
Old 07-21-2004, 07:32 AM   #15
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One more thing on the 26 which I have no experience with what I have heard about it jamming is that some people do not have enought weapon to hand to to provide a stable shooting platform. If the platform is not stable it is about the same as limp wristing. Again, I have no range time with the 26 but know people who have them and love them. The only glock in my area that I have heard a real complaint is the ones chambered in .357 sig. Not because of the weapons preformance but because the ammo is expensive and hard to get! 8)
 
Old 07-21-2004, 05:40 PM   #16
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Ummmm,,,,

I'd go with the 17,,,,if I chose a 9mm, here's why.

The 26's grip is too small for me, so I'd need to get extensions on the mag,,,,,well, that makes the grip just about the same size at the 19,,,,,well, the 19's grip is just about the same size as the 17.

In the end, the grip is what makes a pistol hard to conceal if you're using a belt/holster carry. Grips being equal, I'll go with the longer barrel, sight radius,,,,,etc. Basically, anything that gave me an advantage in terms of ammo velocity, accuracy, and gun handling.

I carried a Springfield sub compact for a while,,,,then when I realized the grip wasn't that much shorter than a government model,,,,,I switched back.

H4444

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Old 07-23-2004, 05:14 PM   #17
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I've got a 19 and a 26 as well as a 21. The 26 is collecting dust, I carry a PM 9 for a small gun. I love the 21 but it's a monster.

I shoot the 19 best of all the handguns I own and I think it is the perfect compromise of glock design. Still has enough slide mass to be reliable but compact butt.

I gotta gotta gotta stay concealed during the week so the Kahr is now carried more, but I would have the 19 on my hip if I could. When I'm not working and can adjust my manner of dress, the 19 is on at all times.

The sight radius on the 26 leave a lot to be desired for me, I shoot the 19 exponentially better.
 
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