LouseyEffort

OK, it's time. I own a SW model 29 6in (great shooter), a Colt Diamondback 4in (I bought new in 1972), a Ruger Mark1 for plinkin' and 3 Sigs-P239 40cal for carry, P220 SS Elite for range and P232 for the wife. Notice what's missing? No 1911! So I need to rectify that. I want something to replace the 239 in my holster. I'm not impressed with the caliber and I can't keep a 6 inch group at 50'. The 220 is very accurate but way too heavy for a fat man to carry and the wheel guns.....well. So I want light, concealable and accurate. I've narrowed it to Kimber Pro Carry and Colt Commander (LW if I can find one) but I'm open to suggestions. As much as I'd like a Wilson Combat, I'm not in that league financewise. I had considered SA 4inch but read some not so good things about it. What I'm looking for is advice pros and cons. Afterall, the shopping and talking is almost as much fun as the owning; at least for me. Let me hear from you guys in the know...

Wild Bill Caldwell

I was never a fan of Kimbers from their startup.....Since They hit with the series two You couldn't run fast enough to give Me one...every Kimber that has came thru My shop needed all internal parts and especially extractors and ejectors replaced

I carry a Commander.....Picked up a complete Colt upper at a gun show here , bought a Caspian Commander race ready frame , for Me , There can't be a better carry pistol

Wild Bill

TT GLOCKS

Thought about any of the lower end STI single stacks???? Way less than you'd pay for the others, and from what I hear and have seen, very reliable. I know some shooters that have some. They function well in IPSC competition which is more than I can say for ALL of the Kimbers I've seen on our range.....commonly referred to as the "Sand Box". I haven't seen one Kimber make it through a match without a malfunction of some kind. Not pickin' on them....but haven't seen one yet that could complete a match.

Had a 220 years back. One of the best I'd owned. Ultra reliable, slim.....but in the cometition world where slick, fast reloads sometimes take the day, I'd fumble a reload every once in a while. Gave it up and got a Glock 21. But, Bill has even suggested the STI line of single stacks (he's just old and forgetful or he'd said that here)!

Look them up on the net.

Wild Bill Caldwell

Thanks for wakein' Me up , Bolton , I've got to get up and change My shirt , dozed off in My rocker and drooled all over it.....OLD?? , OLD????

The S T I Spartans I've seen look good for the money , All I've seen run...The Tarus is a good deal at around $500 new but some will need some work

I don't know why (other than the almighty bottom line) but few 1911s will make it thru a uspsa match out of the box...be sure You've got a good 1911 mechanic around when You buy one and be ready to spend more money. A 1911 is an easy pistol to set up right , most companies won't spend the little extra in time and money....buyin' used is often better....find an old SISTEMA and replace the internals.......good mags are expensive , got to have good ammo , got to be clean

Wild Bill

LouseyEffort

Thank you both for the excellent advice. I'll throw Kimber out of the mix, but I'm still hung up some on weight. I carry all day and in and out of the car I need to use a high ride holster (now that I've caved to my granddaughters chiding and use my seat belt) where heft becomes an issue. So anyway someone has suggested I look at S&W 1911sc. I don't do any competitive shooting but reliability is definitely a factor. So how about the Smith? I worry some about the external extractor but I guess it's because I don't know anything about it. It's just different. What do you'all think?

Swamp

OH MAN dont make such a big mistake; Wild Billie just has a hard on for Kimbers because he cant afford one. Go to any reputable gunsmith and ask them about Kimbers and they'll tell you they are the best gun deal out there because they come as virtually a had fitted, match grade in every way gun that will feed flawlessly. They also might say they've never seen one because f their reliability and fine craftsmanship. Billie bad mouths MIM parts but that's an old wives tale spread by ignorant biased people who dont know any better. MIM parts are in every way as dependable as any other part bar none. Wild Billie is an angry jerk who thinks he knows everything and only fools take his advice like this and run with it. Investigate it and you'll find him full of it.

What other gun comes standard with a match barrel and target trigger for under a thousand dollars? Buy another guna d prepare to spend 800 to 1,000 to make a stock Kimber out of it.

50 shots, rapid fire and 50' Kimber custom II (a 700.00 gun)


The Custom II bottom of Kimebers line beats the top of most others.


Kimber Gold Match, 5 shot group at 50'


My Kimber Ultra Tactical


Pro Carry II


and Kimber Custom Target II will all put 5 shots in one hole at 50'


Of course you need to be proficient at shooting to do that but without a good gun, you'll never do that.

15 shots 40' single action .45 Cowboy Revolver


Don't let jealousy and ignorance cause you to make a bad decision. Just read the article I posted about a police departments decision to select Kimber and why. This is why I only carry Kimber; because my life depends on it.

Read the article: Why I own and carry Kimbers only

OH and Billie, remember you're on ignore so I'm not exposed to the bile you spew. But dont be an a$$ and screw someone else over because you're trying to badmouth a gun because I own them exclusively.

Swamp

Oh and if you're looking for a great holster at a great deal get one of these:



It's the best, most comfortable IWB holster that even allows you to tuck your shirt in and you'll forget you're wearing it it's so comfortable.





http://www.kholster.com/

It's virtually infinitely adjustable for cant and depth of carry.

Use my Rebate Code 03-3381 to get a 5% rebate on your order.

...and with this holster, you'll carry a 5" with as much ease and concealability as a 3"; you'll love it and he guarantees it.

Swamp

...also surf their site and ask yourself; if Wild Billie is right, then why is the Olympic Team choosing Kimber to win Olympic Shoots? Kimber > 1911 Pistols > Gold Match II Why did the LAPD Choose Kimber for their swat carry weapon? Police department after police department chooses Kimber for their craftsmanship and reliability.

A Quote from their site:

America's best shooters keep choosing Kimber. Legendary LAPD™ SWAT tested five major 1911 brands and chose Kimber. United States Marines assigned to Special Operations Command chose Kimber. The U.S.A. Shooting Rapid Fire Pistol Team trains for Olympic competition with a Kimber. Most recently, LAPD™ SIS transitioned to Kimber. They all chose Kimber for the same reasons; quality, dependability and accuracy. So should you.

When someone like Wild Bill speaks out badly about a gun that so many recognize as tops, dont you have to question the knowledge and integrity of WB?

When you buy Kimbers, your gun shop knows you're a high end gun owner and often they will tell you that. When you fire a Kimber at the range, people watch you because they know you understand gun quality. So what's WB's problem?

TT GLOCKS

I wouldn't throw Kimbers out of the mix just yet. I just haven't seen one run for a complete match in the last 5 years. Couple gents here own several......one of them a Range Master. He's sent one back to Kimber (3) times...and it still wouldn't run. Now it was DEADLY ACCURATE! But when it couldn't be held as "reliable", he got rid of it.

S&W??? Haven't heard anything. Nobody here would spend the $$$$ they want for one. Not when you can own a STI set up by Dawson or Brazos for less money.

Nother' gent had a 1911 "Rock" by Sig. Spent quite a lot of $$$$ on that puppy. It wouldn't run out of the box. AFTER the 3rd trip back....when SIG said that nothing was wrong.........he took it back out and after a magazine worth of rounds, it locked up tight. When we finally got it apart, the chamber was split, link pin cracked......you could SEE that something was wrong. He sent it back and asked them if they could find anything wrong with it this time.

Go to a local IPSC or IDPA match in your area. You will find quite a few 1911 styles being used there. You'd be surprised that a lot of those shooters will let you take one for a spin.

I wouldn't go out and spend the bucks without first finding the one that best suited me, fitted me and would run flawlessly. Competition shooters will go to the ends of the earth to be the "best" in their division. Most have tried just about everything there is out there before they found what ACTUALLY WORKS.....and most of the nifty systems that Law Enforcement and the Military end up with are from that very world. I've been competing in pistol competitions for.........many years.....and have found the above to be 100 percent accurate.

However.....don't take anybody's word for it. Go out and find out for yourself! That is half the fun of gettin' a new shootin' iron. And after you do, you will be even more satisfied because YOU decided, YOU did the research, YOU put in the trigger time, etc.

Lots of other choices out there.....Les Baer, Rock River, Dawson Precision, Brazos Custom, STI, SV...........

Let us know how it turns out.

Wild Bill Caldwell

Mickey Watts , a friend with maybe 40 years of policein', shoots the Smith 1911 , lightweight , 45 , scandium ? ....I've shot in several matches with Him , never saw the pistol give Him any trouble , I haven't seen Mickey in a year or so , I'll give Him a call soon and whatever His opinion about the pistol is I'll pass on to You

Pay no attention to the swampussie..."it" is to firearms , what a fart is to a whirldwind

Wild Bill

Swamp

I would try anything you could too before you decide coming from where you are and forging a new direction; just be sure you shoot a Kimber. I guarantee it wont be one you wouldn't consider.

As far as reliability, there are people who knows one person or read one thread from someone with a Kimber who had problems with it. But you cant deny police departments are switching to Kimber all over the country and every one of them states it's because of accuracy and reliability. You cant afford a perfect gun and nobody who makes guns has NEVER made all of them without a problem.

With all the Kimbers I have, and I wouldn't want to venture a guess as to the number of rounds through them, I've never had a misfeed that wasn't my fault. My fault meaning a freak while reloading the round or didn't put the magazine all the way in. I dont know anybody who cant say the same thing and all the best shooters at my club that fire any of my Kimbers immediately wants one.

Now I see Wild Bill has posted and I can only imagine what nasty things he has to say again since I have him on ignore so I don't have to read his crap. Make up your mind but Wild Bill apparently is smarter than every law enforcement gun expert in the country; smarter than the gun participants of the Olympics and smarter than our experts in our armed forces; well Hell, he was telling me in another thread that he invented the 1911 so he must me the smartest man on earth and the oldest since this year marks the 100 year anniversary of the 1911 design. Personally I think he has more than proven his character in the 30 some posts he has made. I'm embarrassed for him actually.

Wild Bill Caldwell

swampussie.....by "its" own admission "it" got "its" first 1911 in 2007 but "it" wouldn't venture a guess as to the number of rounds thru them?????you phoney BULLS#!TER......

Wild Bill

Swamp

What's that Billie, I cant hear you?

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

Wild Bill Caldwell

swampuss..."it" might not can hear it but "it" wrote it.....

!911 Forum ....Dec. 2010 Got my first 1911....Pissing my.....How long did "it" last before "it" got "its" A$$ kicked off the 1911forum....."it" is a SICK PUPPY

Wild Bill

JohnnyT

Dang! Did ya'll have words before ya fell out?

Here's ya some Kimber MIM, about 1200 rounds into it. Some MIM is good. Some of it ain't so good.
Trouble is...ya can't tell the good from the bad 'til it lets go...like it did on this here feller.

Swamp

You've got to be kidding me; that's your example of total lack of quality of a MIM part? First of all bonehead, that part has absolutely no force or any possible stress on it at all; it is all but cosmetic and moves a tiny bit when you press the grip safety. So lets be honest lying sack of crap; how high was it when you dropped the gun directly on the beaver tail on solid concrete? Nice try.

I dont think there's a one of you on this forum who has a freaking clue as to the integrity of a MIM part. You are all just gossiping little old ladies making up wives tales crapping all over a gun you have a hard on about most likely because you're too poor to be able to buy one. Good guns cost money.

So bounce your favorite 1911 off the concrete like you did that gun and see how it holds up. You guys are pathetic. When you want to create a total lie about something, at least make it a little believable.

Swamp

Now Mr. Billie the other pathetic mentally disturbed poor excuse for a human.

I went to the site without being logged on so I was able to view your childish crap; you seriously need mental help Billie.

First total bunch of Billie crap:

"swampuss..."it" might not can hear it but "it" wrote it.....

!911 Forum ....Dec. 2010 Got my first 1911....Pissing my.....How long did "it" last before "it" got "its" A$$ kicked off the 1911forum....."it" is a SICK PUPPY"

Tell me you sick bastard, just what do you think is derogatory about this message? I'm proud as Hell of being thrown off of every forum I have been thrown off of. I've never been thrown off for any other reason than sticking up for myself from some arrogant a$$hole who is dumber than a box of nails just like you. And I could care less.

You ain't even close to the date I got my first 1911 and what is derogatory about that except for the SHlT attitude with which you post it; like there's something wrong with that (no doubt there are several idiots here that worship your pathetic a$$ who will fall into your trap); sounds as desperate as you always are to me.

Second bunch of total Billie crap:

"swampussie.....by "its" own admission "it" got "its" first 1911 in 2007 but "it" wouldn't venture a guess as to the number of rounds thru them?????you phoney BULLS#!TER......"

You must be an all knowing god; tell me Billie, how many rounds to I fire in a typical week? How many times a week do I practice? This might be higher math for you (way over your head) but if I fire only 50 rounds a week, that's over 10,000 rounds to date just through my 1911's.

Desperate, dumba$$, Billie, you have a perfect track record here of having nothing to overcome my accomplishments but to say "BULLSHlT". That's just not a very impressive argument Desperate, dumba$$, Billie. Give it up punk, you're beat and too stupid to realize it...and dont firget I could give a fuk what you think of me or if you believe any of my accomplishments or anything I say. You're nothing but a bully, ghetto worthless piece of dog SHlT that will eventually blow down the curb and into a storm sewer where you belong.

My hunch is if someone said boo to you behind your back you would SHlT your pants, pussy.

JohnnyT

Don't mince words, Swamp. Tell us how ya really feel about it...

Swamp

Let me give you all some food for thought; you guys use the identification "MIM" just like deceptive advertisers use the words "high fructose corn syrup" which is nothing but sugar. OR... MSG which is either made from beets or sugar cane. Now I'm willing to be you all eat corn, sugar and sugar cane byproducts or again sugar so why are you doing this MIM crap?

This whole argument it totally baseless and your arguments against it have absolutely no viable facts to back it up. Now I might be concerned about a gun manufacturer that made it's barrels via the MIM process including the rifling but that's not even close to what parts are made with this perfectly viable process.

So just like the high fructose corn syrup or MSG myths, you dumba$$es reject perfectly good parts and you really dont know why.

I'm willing to be that not one of you on this forum has a gun without a MIM part in it. There's no way you could afford a gun with every part made from billet metal, not even close to afford. (especially since Kimers are clearly out of your reach by all your badmouthing)

Before you spew crap like this, educate yourself so you dont look so stupid.

Swamp

Well have a little integrity for gawd sakes.

JohnnyT

Well, a'ight. I'm all for integrity and gettin' things cleared up. I'll tell ya a little about what know of MIM...from mucho time with guns...gun wrenchin'...and tool and die experience.

Good MIM is very good. Bad MIM is worse than junk. Back in the early days, when Kimber used the first MIM parts that I'd ever noticed in a 1911-pattern pistol, it was pretty good. I tested some of it for impact and wear failure...along with a few MIM parts that Colt used. I was duly impressed. The problem is that, while Colt's small parts vendor is still producing good parts...it doesn't seem to be the case with Kimber and many others.

Since we can't blame Kimber for this...because they don't actually make the stuff...we have to assume that the problem lies not with the technology, but rather with the execution. Just like inferior steel shows up in various things, so it is with MIM and investment castings. The materials used in the making, and the sintering process of the powder and the binder determines whether or not the part will be good.

The companies who produce the bad parts should be held accountable for their junk, when it starts to become obvious that it is, in fact...junk...and therein lies the other side of the issue. Except in obviously flawed examples, it's impossible to determine whether the part is good or not by visual inspection, and it only becomes known when it fails...usually suddenly. One round, it's fine, and the gun comes to a dead stop on the next. Not very confidence inspiring.

The good news is that bad MIM generally fails early on. If it lasts for a thousand rounds, it'll likely last for 50,000...but there's no guarantee. I do understand that machined steel parts also fail. They just don't fail as often.

When you speak of education, you might want to keep in mind that Caldwell is a bona fide metallurgist...so when he talks steel, it may pay you to listen.

JohnnyT

And a little more, now that I've got some time...

Back around the turn of this century, Colt was dabbling with MIM extractors, and they were poppin' like matchsticks. They've learned the error of their ways, and have returned to using some very good steel extractors.

I cannibalized a badly worn 1918 GI Colt back in the mid 80s that had who the hell knows how many rounds through it. Only the frame was salvageable, and that only barely. I retensioned the extractor when I installed it in a pre-70 Series Colt Government Model that I'd rebuilt for range duty...in 1987 if memory serves me.

I shoot hard. In those days, until just recently when arthritic hands and bursitis in my right shoulder forced me to cut back...I averaged between 50k and 60k a year, pretty evenly divided among three different guns...every year. That extractor is still there, and it still works. Aside from periodic removal for cleaning, I've only had to retension it once...about 2 years ago. The gun has been retightened again, and is on its third barrel...but the extractor rocks on.

Wild Bill Caldwell

Johnny T .....swampussie loves US BULLIES beatin' up on "its" weak a$$....See "its" post Why I Carry Kimbers.....all sorts of knowdledge about MIM....Few weeks later "it" don't know what MIM is

swampussie ...tell Us BULLIES about "it" and the priest

Wild Bill

Swamp

Well then you would think he would know better than to speak so recklessly about MIM parts. Frankly with his ghetto bullie thug dialog I have absolutely no respect for the man at all; people who have knowledge and wisdom dont communicate it arrogantly with insults making false accusations totally unrelated to the subject at hand to state their position on the subject. Don't you see the problem with his actions or are you blinded by your confusion between arrogance and knowledge?

Just look at his communication:
He assumes I'm weak...because he thinks he's winning the bullie whit battle. He assumes I know nothing about MIM yet all this started because I commented on a poster that excessively used initial letters to converse when he could allow everybody to actually know what he was saying by typing it out and the reason Billie does this is to project this arrogant know-it-all persona with which he makes a total a$$ of himself doing. He has been wrong from the very get go but then that's typical for the average arrogant a$$hole bullie on forums. People who behave like him are pesky nobodies who like themselves way too much.

So what you're saying is a MIM part can either be made with flaws or not JUST LIKE A BILLET PART CAN BE MADE WITH FLAWS OR NOT. Hummmm sounds like we've determined the problem here; this entire conversation is worthless crap and maybe the truth is in the fact that so many outstanding and reputable police departments, Olympics and Military organizations choose Kimber because of the quality of the gun, reliability and accuracy. Just how does MIM part failure produce results like that?

Here's a life lesson for you that you can take home from all this; "experts" dont have to be arrogant bullies. Their expertise and uncompromised conversation or actions are what indicates their ability. Billie has done nothing throughout this entire conversation but to defend his position by pointing out when he alleges I bought a gun, his all knowing information that exceeds even my knowledge of how much I shoot, how many times a week and repeat BULLSHlT, BULLSHlT, BULLSHlT because he's backed in a corner and lost his superior position long ago.

I dont care what he thinks he knows, if he behaves at a job like he does here he wouldn't last an hour before being fired and that's how I think of him.

So thanks for clearing that up: MIM doesn't make a tinkers damn in the quality of a gun because all of your guns have MIM parts in them.

So stick it in your a$$ Billie and remember I could care less what you say or think about me; you dont know me and will never meet me so why would I give a crap about a desperate want-to-be like you? Just go ahead and keep proving your character to the people here and the bottom feeders will respect and follow you then you'll be in your element.

Swamp

You know Johnny, seeing this picture I'm going to be sure to from how on wear a helmet and eye protection when I visit a gun shop that might have Kimbers in stock. You never know when a Kimber MIM part might explode and send shrapnel all about the store killing,maiming or poking peoples eyes out. LMAO No doubt we dont have to warn the "Expert" Billie to wear protective gear since he's such an x-pert.

Wild Bill Caldwell

What did swampussi say "it" was proud of .....Being banned from forums ???? That is all the poor phony DEVIATE has ever had to be proud of......Still not adressin' "its" plagiarism of Syd's writeup.....

Wild Bill

Swamp

Thanks for clearing that up for me all knowing gwad Bille dumbass ghetto thug; I have to admit, I had no idea being thrown off of forums with a$$holes like you fighting the ridiculous is the only thing I'm proud of. But here's what continues to confuse me; how does proudly being thrown off of ill-managed forums have to do with MIM parts? and what does all your BULLSHlT in your posts have to do with MIM parts? and what does my shooting expertise, which is another one of your "BULLSHlT's" have to do with MIM parts? These are some of your arguments about why Kimber firearms are not good because they have MIM parts in them. So just what are you an expert at except for the most stupid responses to a topic you alledge to know something about which based on all of your responses you clearly dont know the subject from a whole in the ground?

Billie your approach to this debate has absolutely no other possible outcome for you but to prove you to be a stupid a$$ who is terrible angry and madly pulling at string, waffling from unrelated issue to unrelated issue trying to defend your sorry a$$.

I ask again; did you ever graduate from high school? You appear as a person who barely made it through grade school. Just read through all your posts trying to belittle me, maybe have someone educated by your side to give you a proper perspective and see how embarrassed you should be. Your parents must have hated you.

JohnnyT

Yes...and I also said that machined steel fails less often than MIM...even good MIM. You must have skipped over that part. Like Bill, I had a cigar box full of broken MIM parts that I finally tossed out because it was in the way. I had broken parts of all descriptions. Hammers...sears...disconnects...slidestops...barre l bushings...thumb and grip safeties...even firing pin stops, and a handful of those chickenshit MIM extractors that Colt tried for about 2 years before they threw in the towel and went back to good, spring-tempered steel.

I'd be comfortable with a Colt OEM sear or disconnect...in a range gun or a carry gun that didn't see hard use. Kimber's OEM parts since right after they introduced the Series 2s...Not so much...and not in a carry gun at all. Kimber really needs to jack their parts vendors up.

From where I stand, it seems that you have your mind made up, and won't allow any sort of factual evidence to dent your belief system...so I guess I can stop wasting my time trying to convince you that Kimber has been having problems with their MIM parts for some time now, because you haven't seen it with your gun or guns...but such a broad statement based on your experience with one or two guns only means that you didn't happen to draw a short straw. Bill and I...and several other people who deal with many guns have seen it over the course of a couple decades in dozens or even hundreds of guns...far more often than we've seen their machined steel counterparts fail.

By the way...Condescending horseshit like this:

doesn't make experienced people want to help teach you about your gun...and it's pretty apparent that you do, in fact, need schoolin'.

But...do carry on. Hear?

Swamp

That's funny I deal with three of the biggest and oldest gun dealers/smiths in the area and when I took a couple of mine in to them for a change of sights they all say, "I've never seen a Kimber in here for repair".

I guess you guys have got bad Ju, Ju and all those police departments, the Olympics and the branch's if the Military must be nuts finding Kimber by far the most reliable gun of all the guns they test. I think you and Billie need to educate the rest of the World since everybody but you two are obviously stupid; right? LMAO

What a crock of SHlT from both of you and to try and pass the Kimber someone had to have bounced off the pavement as bad MIM...well some people clearly have no boundaries when it comes to their willingness to deceive people.

But you know just because you and Billie have a hard on for Kimbers doesn't mean you have to make other people stupid too. Anyone with an ounce of integrity and no senseless bitterness would know better than to misguide someone jsut to win such a chicken$hit fight. As I've been saying, people like Billie and now you should have no expectation of respect from anyone with half a brain for your narrow minded irrational bias.

Swamp

As a matter of fact, Billie here raves about Colt Commander yet Colt has one of the ugliest reputations ever in recent years but no doubt because of the old name Colt, they get away with it.

Tell me how many police departments have switched to Colt for their reliability and accuracy?

JohnnyT

Lad...you need to go find your happy place. Maybe take a valium or two when ya get there. Nobody said Kimbers were junk. We've just pointed out some of the issues we've seen with them recently...over the last 5-6 years or so...and there have been a few.

See...Me an' ol Wild Willie...we've probably got 75 or 80 years of collective experience with the 1911 pistol. We remember'em the way they were...before they got stepped on in the clone wars that started in the 80s.

Time was, I liked Kimbers. The old Clackamas and later the Yonkers guns were good to go out of the box. A new Series 2? You couldn't throw one and hit me with it in its present state...not until they get their act back together. The first thing they need to do is drop that ridiculous Swartz system. There was a reason that Colt and the US Army aborted that little program in the 30s. Then, they need to get on the stick with QA, and find a new small parts vendor. If they'll do that...maybe we can reconsider.

Until then, you and all the other the fanbois are welcome to'em.

JohnnyT

You were right, Billy. The boy's a mite bit prickly 'bout them fancyassed Kimbers.

JohnnyT

One of the facts of life in the military and police profession is that your equipment is brought to you by the lowest bidder. Always has been. Always will be.

Wild Bill Caldwell

Where the HELL does this Dammable Freaky Idiot find one PD usein' 1911s....I'm in contact with a lot of cops 90% carry Glunks , The rest carry mostly Glunk clones....I know of one Dick Tracy type carriein' a 1911 in all of the West Monroe P D

Wild Bill

Wild Bill Caldwell

Who the Hell in the Olympics was shootin' a 1911 , swampuss , clear that one up

Wild Bill

JohnnyT

Now, Bill. Remember your blood pressure.

Some of the SWAT and SET teams have gone with the 1911. Strictly small numbers compared to the general issue sidearms for the departments, though. Even the response team for the King PD...consisting of 4 patrol officers who are on call 24/7...have 1911s included in their gear. Two Colts and two Springfields, with one Springfield Pro in reserve at the armory. Before I moved down here, I used to shoot with'em some. They're pretty good, too.

I guess our boy really, really believes that the pistols that Kimber and Springfield supply to those guys are exactly like the ones that he can go buy down at the local Mom'n'Pop Fish Bait and Gun Emporium.

JohnnyT

Sorry for the sideshow Lousey E. We got caught up in it, and it was hard to resist.

Where 'bouts in the Tarheel State are ya? I moved down here below Lexington 5 years ago from King...about 20 miles north of Winston-Salem.

LouseyEffort

Truth be I've been enjoying the friendly dialogue and, believe it or not, I've learned a good deal about 1911's reading through the BS. I'm in Concord, home of the Charlotte, no Loews, no wait it's Charlotte Motor Speedway. Notice Concord never enters the name mix, guess we and Bruton (BS) Smith don't get along too well. Anyway I'm guessing WB and Swamp got some history I don't need to know about but I think I've figured out where the expertise lies and who the "wanna-be" is in this deal. But I'm no closer to making a decision on my first (in 30 years) 1911 than I was when I entered the forum. I am however a lot more knowledgeable. Thanks to all of you for that.

JohnnyT

Well! Howdy neighbor! You're up the road just a piece from me. I can help a little with your education and probably your decision, too. I'm about to arrange a couple of basic learnin' workshops here in the next few weeks for a few of the guys over at carolina shooters. If you'd like to come and participate, we'd be happy to have ya. Turbocoffee and bullschidt flow freely in copious amounts around here. Hope ya like dogs. I've got a whole pack here of all shapes, sizes, and breeds. When Wild Billy stayed with us for a couple weeks in '07, he did his level best to talk me out of my Siberian/Wolf mix...but I told him that the Rockefellers didn't have the money to buy that girl.

LouseyEffort

Thank you JT. You bet I'd love it. Let me know the whens and wheres. Exactly the kind of experience I was hoping for out of Pistolsmith. Basic learnin' is what I'm all about!