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Old 08-30-2011, 07:44 AM   #1
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Where does the .40 cal round stand?

I've always liked the .45 ACP, the 1st gun I ever owned was a .45 ACP. It's everything you expect it to be, loud, heavy, nothing you would want sent your way. As for the 9mm I'm new to it, with addition of my Ruger a few months back.

I had always avoided the 9mm, it was just always talked about with the people I know like it was a less worthy round. That it wasn't worth the bragging rights if you were a nice shot with a 9mm, that the bigger, weightier .45 if you could control that at a distance it was something worth bringing up.

After shooting the 9mm more, I seen it's a nice round to shoot. When it comes out of the gun, I don't get the familiar slam I get from a .45, but it's almost bouncy. I have some speer gold dots in the clip, and have no problem giving the .45 a day off and carrying the 9mm as my main self defense weapon.

All of this got me thinking more openly about other rounds, and how they stack up. So where does the .40 cal round stand among other rounds out there. How is it to shoot compared to the 9mm and the .45? Is there any benefits that in a situation you would rather pick up a .40, over a 9mm or .45?

I'm just curious about this round I have little experience with, so I would like to hear from some people who like it or don't like it and why? Thanks for anyone who has some input to offer,
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:12 PM   #2
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The .40 stands way up there.... the average American cop carries a .40 these days.

The .40 is much closer to the .45 than the 9mm as far as effectiveness goes.

It's big advantage besides less recoil and blast is that it can be packaged in a smaller gun, which is better for todays women and smaller men cops.
You also get more rounds than a .45 with much more effectiveness than the 9mm.
It's actually what it was intended to be, an "in between" round that is smaller and less powerful then the .45, but more effective then the 9mm.
 
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I bought a ,40 because I worked at a gun store and got a price I just couldn't pass up. I sold my .45s because recoil and arthritis don't mix. I now shoot 9mm for several reasons, mostly low recoil and used military gun prices (CZ75, CZ82, 92FS) that I can't pass up. I am actually gaining proficiency in reloading the 9mm. As for performance the main issue when I use my handgun in a real life situation, will not be accuracy nor penetration, but powder burns. George M.
 
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Sir - The 40 is an outstanding caliber. For many casual users I feel it is as large as they can efficiently handle. It offers a high round count without feeling like a boat anchor. All that said, I do not like the 40. My choice in semi auto platforms is the 45, then the 9mm. A 45 is a big round with a generally, lower round count. Not a spray and pray round, but for the person who shoots often enough that they hit much more than they miss. Thed 9mm is a very high capacity platform that has excellent bullet designs available. In an old country store one can usually find 9mm. Sort of like finding 12 ga or 30'06, almost always there. Now in revolvers (my favorite), it is the 38/357 and the 44 special. any of these if properly applied will end the fight. Shot placement is the key. But hey, I'm old and set in my ways. Take this info as opinion only, mine.
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Old 10-02-2011, 11:50 AM   #5
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The .40 stands way up there.... the average American cop carries a .40 these days.

The .40 is much closer to the .45 than the 9mm as far as effectiveness goes.

It's big advantage besides less recoil and blast is that it can be packaged in a smaller gun, which is better for todays women and smaller men cops.
You also get more rounds than a .45 with much more effectiveness than the 9mm.
It's actually what it was intended to be, an "in between" round that is smaller and less powerful then the .45, but more effective then the 9mm.
IMHO, that's it in a nutshell. The .40 is an improvement over the 9mm, with the advantage of smaller size and higher round count than the .45ACP. There's reasons why it's the most carried caliber LE Depts across the country. It's a good compromise....
 
Old 10-02-2011, 11:53 AM   #6
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.40 S&W, ewe. It's the bastard compromise. slower than a 9, and gives up round count. smaller than a .45 and gives up mass/weight. Me no likey. More costly than the 9 too, and doesn't give me that "Mine's bigger than yours" senseless confidence.
 
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.40 S&W, ewe. It's the bastard compromise. slower than a 9, and gives up round count. smaller than a .45 and gives up mass/weight. Me no likey. More costly than the 9 too, and doesn't give me that "Mine's bigger than yours" senseless confidence.
could not agree more, and that dog in your picture looks just like mine, but mine has little black spots in her undercoat, barely visible through the fur.

theyre just the cutest, arent they?
 
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Indeed. That's my oldest, Roxy. That was before she had pups. When she got preggers, she developed dark brown/black freckles that you can't see until she's wet, Then she almost looks hairless, and her spots really show!

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Calibers don't count for a lot....Hits in the right places count....many hits in the right places at say .12 to .15 second splits count the most.....outside of uspsa and idpa shooters very few shooters train with timers so many shooters have no idea how slow They really are

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Old 10-31-2011, 12:25 AM   #10
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talking about guns in here, have you guys heard the new law in Canada about gun registry? Gun rights advocates are looking at Canada with particular interest of late, writes BBC News. Canada's Conservative government has introduced regulation before Parliament that would demolish Canada's long-gun registry. Particularly, the country's long-gun registry, which provides coverage for shotguns and rifles, would be eliminated. Resource for this article: Canada set to abolish national long-gun registry
 
Old 10-31-2011, 04:20 AM   #11
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I hate to see any county go through that, especially one so close to US. However when it really comes down to it, is anyone comfortable with America Jr. running around taking shoot all over the place?
 
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Welcome to the forum, hannaP. That's some good news for Canadians. Their government is set to melt down some 30,000 Inglis High Powers that they are taking out of military service. THAT'S a travesty.........

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Old 11-09-2011, 07:36 AM   #13
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Could the .40 S&W be a solution in search of a problem?

I realize this certainly isn’t mainstream thinking, but I’ve been around long enough to form that opinion because I've seen the .40 S&W come to fruition from an original concept far removed (the 10mm).

Ever the since the Miami debacle in 1986, the FBI (and the LE community by proxy) has been blaming certain pistol cartridges for their shortcomings as it relates to training, tactics and proficiency with sidearms.

The gun smoke had barely cleared the air in Miami when the 9mm cartridge became the whipping boy for all that had gone wrong in this infamous shootout. That's total BS, but the seeds had already been planted in the infertile minds of those with sheep mentality, so the 9mm suffered an instant down-grade as a self-defense cartridge.

Anyway, the FBI adopted the 10mm – cuts its nuts off when they couldn’t handle the recoil – and the result was ultimately the .40 S&W. The LE community has embraced the .40 in most circles because the profession is trendy by nature - not because it's the right thing to do.

In most pistol platforms it recoils more than a .45, and doesn’t have the "shootability" factor enjoyed in the 9mm. 95% of the officers I trained would have been better off with a 9mm over the .40 or the .45 ACP.

The .40 S&W cartridge operates at fairly high pressures and I suspect more “kabooms” have occurred with this cartridge than all the other pistol cartridges combined. I’ve witnessed two of those personally in .40 S&W Glock pistols. The margin for error in the .40 S&W is pretty small and “overloaded” rounds and rounds that have suffered “bullet setback” routinely result in a small fireworks display.

I can’t help but notice that the trend – almost from the beginning - has moved towards lighter and lighter bullets. That makes it a lot more of a 9mm than a .45 (that’s the two cartridges to which it’s usually compared). I don’t totally disapprove of that personally, as the .40 may well become a better 9mm with more manageable recoil offered by lighter bullets. Since it will never approach the big bullet ballistics of the .45 ACP – in any iteration - perhaps that’s the logical direction to take the .40 S&W.

I carried one for a short period of time when it was first introduced, and quickly switched back to a .45. For me – it was neither fish nor fowl and didn’t offer any objective advantage over the 9mm or .45 ACP cartridge.

I'm still somewhat amused that the caliber debates - that have their origins in low velocity, non-expanding bullet technology - still fuel the same fires today. What was relevant 60 years ago has very little application today. Lee Jurras changed all that for us, but that's a topic for another discussion.

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Old 12-14-2011, 06:10 PM   #14
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Could the .40 S&W be a solution in search of a problem?
No, the .40 S&W IS a solution to a problem. The problem was the 10mm cartridge. It was created as the next greatest thing since fire, but then the FBI found that too many agents simply couldn't handle it. The .40 S&W was not developed to outshine the 9mm Parabellum, the .40 was created as a less powerful, more shootable variant of the 10mm.
 
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"the .40 was created as a less powerful, more shootable variant of the 10mm."

And offers no significant improvement over either the 9mm nor the 45acp. Another niche caliber that has been made popular by law enforcement. I the FBI uses it, it must be the best.
 
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+1. I'm out on 40. I dig the 10mm for hunting. 45acp for defense. 9mm for competitive shooting and defense, and the 40 for nothing. It seems the 10 was an answer to a question that has been answered b the 45 all along, IMO. the 40 was for people(And guns) that cant handle the 10mm. I totally agree with guardjim. If the FBI had gone back to the 45acp instead of shooting for the 10mm, it would have never had the crises of shooters and guns and downloaded the 10 to the 40S&W(Short & Weak?). Is it just me or are almost ALL of the operators and top competitive shooters running 1911s(In 45 AND 9mm!) and 9mm GLOCKs? I see people runnning 40 GLOCKs in IDPA-those that shoot their duty guns by and large, and some in USPSA(For major-which seems to only be a concern for upper level shooters, IMO). Most of us seem to do fine running 1911s and our 9mms for faster splits and quicker target transitions. I gotta be honest. As mentioned with people using timers, most people don't realize how slow they are and how much better they can run a 9mm or a steel framed 45. Put 'em on a PACT timer and watch their eyes bulge. Myself included. I admit, I run a "Cheater gun", a 19c in almost every shoot I go to nowadays. It's not because I'm trying to impress someone, it's because I can shoot it far better than any of the other guns I've shot other than a 1911. Even in that platform, I run 45 because of parts. If it all came to shotability, I'd be running a 9mm 1911, too. THrow stones, I know, I know. It's my experience though.
 
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