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Old 03-10-2014, 01:34 PM   #1
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Wink Jelly Bryce

I just read the life story of "Jelly Bryce" by Ron Owen, if half of what he writes is true, this guy was the combination of McGivern, Miculik, Bob Munden and everyone since or before him. However some of it seems to be pure horse pucky, such as hitting a coin tossed into the air 5 times before it hits the ground. I remember Bob Munden saying once he hit a silver dollar it was gone, and took him awhile to find, five times, no way.
Anyway, everything else seems to imply that J. Edger kept this guy as his personal hit man. If you look at his style of shooting, it blows away all of the modern stances such as the weaver and Isosoleces? his style was to crouch low, almost kneeling and fire from there. Anyone know if these stories are true, or anything else about him.
 
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:26 PM   #2
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Bryce did have a major impact on how the FBI taught shooting.
Back in the 60's we let the police use our range for a police training session.
An FBI agent was the instructor.

He taught to go into a deep crouch and hold the gun just below eye level with one hand, crossing the other arm across the chest to help "deflect" bullets.
He taught to go into the crouch by lifting the left foot, move it a couple of feet to the left and just squat.
He taught to not use the sights, which today is totally disproven for all but absolute point blank near-contact distances.
If you thought about it the shooting method didn't make sense.
Why NOT use the sights since they were just below eye level and you could at least use them for a "flash" sight reference.
Crossing the other arm over to try to stop a bullet is just plain silly, when you could use the other hand to support the gun.

All this was pretty well disproven by people like Sheriff jack Weaver and Jeff Cooper in the 1960's, but it took the FBI some years to get the word.

As for these books, remember that they were written as entertainment, and often relied on second hand stories, and often straight tall tales by the subject.
As you surmised, if you hit a coin with a bullet it's GONE.
In one famous case, before WWI Buffalo Bill's Wild West show was in Germany.
The Kaiser tossed a silver coin up in the air for Anne Oakley, and she said she managed to hit it just right.
According to witnesses, the coin went straight up at least 300 feet.
She said that usually they often didn't find a coin hit at an angle since it went a good distance.

There's no doubt Bryce was a deadly gunman but take the stories with a large bit of salt.
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:13 PM   #3
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Jelly Bryce

Thank you very much for that information, I thought the book was a lot of hyperbole and you confirmed it.
 
 
Old 03-24-2014, 09:44 AM   #4
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Practically everything that Bryce did has been debunked by modern gun gurus.

Yet...by his own admission, he killed 19 men during his career...nearly all of whom threw down first.

He killed more men in gunfights than the Earps and Doc Holliday combined.

And, as one of his contemporaries noted:

"There were some genuinely mean sons of bitches back then."

Maybe I'm just bein' silly, but...

I do believe that if Jelly Bryce was to be sittin' here talkin' about pistol fightin', I'd be more inclined to listen than talk.

Or, as our friend Will Rogers put it:

"A man that's had a tiger by the tail knows five or six more things about tigers than one that ain't."
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:22 PM   #5
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But JohnnyT, he didn't have the internet and all the 'experts' generated there. That was in the old days before "tactial" too. No kydex, no instructor belts, no bill drills, no camo costumes, what did he know?
 
Old 03-25-2014, 10:31 PM   #6
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Cohee...If I was a bettin' man...I'd be willin' to wager dollars to dimes that if one of these costumed tactical Bill Drill instructor types was to throw down on Bryce, he'd die before he could clear the leather.

And his last thought would probably be:

"This dumbass is doin' it all wrong!"

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Old 03-26-2014, 06:17 PM   #7
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I was in the local reloading shop today. The owner and a couple of other retardees likeself were solving the problems of the world when the door chime sounded. Not the best of neighborhoods, we all looked up to see who was coming in.

There was this clown about 65-79 wearing khaki cargo pants over cowboy boots, a khaki safari jacket, and so help me wild bill, a pith helmet. He had his jacket open so we could all see his cheap nylon shoulder holster rig.

The owner gave me a very hard look and said "go in the back and help Chester". There is no Chester in the back, but he wanted me to leave before I started laughing or ran my mouth. After a couple of minutes, the "white hunter" left. I went back out when I heard the door chime and we all had a good laugh.

Turns out, the 300 pound badass"Bwana" was thinking about getting into reloading because .380 ammo was so hard to get these days.
 
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They're everywhere you look, Cohee.
 
Old 03-27-2014, 05:46 PM   #9
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Jelly Bryce might be stretching the truth about a lot of that, and I would bet that he was. Still, I'm inclined to think about this like JohnnyT. Even if he lied about the vast majority of it, I wouldn't want to "Throw down" with him. I'm not trying to tangle with any guy when there's gunplay- Momma told me someone could get hurt like that.. I damn sure don't want to mess with a guy whose killed 19 men. Hells no.
 
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Jelly Bryce might be stretching the truth about a lot of that, and I would bet that he was
From all I can gather, Bryce was actually a quiet, unassuming man, not given to bragging about his exploits. Most of his story was told by his contemporaries and acknowledged by him when he was asked to corroborate...telling "the rest of the story" matter-of-factly and without embellishment, and would downplay the sensational parts about as often as not. The 19 dead men are a matter of public record. When he was asked by an interviewer as to how many, he simply said: "19"

My grandfather's first cousin was a US Marshal in the 20s through the early 40s. He had met Bryce a few times in the course of his work. It was from him that I first heard the name "Jelly Bryce" when he was cornered by the younguns and asked to tell some of his stories. I remember him saying that after hearing all the reports of the deadliest gunman since Wild Bill that he was surprised that Bryce was actually very shy and never "talked tough" or said that he "shot this or that sumbitch down." More along the lines of: "Yeah. I had to do that. He'd have killed me if I hadn't."

He also mentioned that Frank Hamer was a scary bastard who wanted an excuse. As in: "I hope the little son of a bitch decides to shoot it out with us. He needs killin'." He didn't like Hamer very much...who he called a murderer with a badge who was usually pulling the trigger as he yelled "Throw up your hands!"...but he admitted that he did get the job done. He said that when he heard that Hamer was tracking Bonnie and Clyde, he remembered thinking: "Those kids are dead and they don't even know it."

US Marshal John Gilley (ret) was shot to death in 1962 while taking his afternoon nap in Harlan County Kentucky, near the town of Evarts. His killer was never found. The Model 94 Winchester that was used was left leaning against the side of his house.

Like the man said: "There were some genuinely mean sons of bitches in those days."

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