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Old 04-09-2001, 07:51 AM   #1
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As a relatively new USPSA to IDPA convert, I am curious regarding the most prevalent holster position in IDPA, given its emphasis on real world practicality and concealment. From my informal survey, FBI cant appears to be the most common holster configuration. Anyone out there using a staight drop? Tony K. at Milt Sparks told me that the late Bruce Nelson favored a straight drop, but I don't know if concealment was a key issue with Mr. Nelson. I am currently using Blade-Tech belt loop holsters in FBI cant. Comments, please.
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Old 04-09-2001, 08:17 AM   #2
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I use the FBI cant for duty and for games. To me it just makes sense.

A further question to yours would be - who carries one style for carry/duty, and uses another style for IDPA?
 
Old 04-09-2001, 08:41 AM   #3
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Good question, Shane. I thought about that myself, i.e. using a straight drop for competition and an FBI cant for actual carry. I decided to go FBI cant for everything since it just made logical sense to do everything one way (the old saying you "fight like you train"). I noticed in the latest IDPA newsletter that Ken Hackathorn is reminding members to heed the IDPA rule that the trigger pad us supposed to go BEHIND (not on) the centerline of the body, which favors an FBI cant.
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Bill, Actually, it depends on where you feel most comfortable wearing the gun. If you like to carry the weapon at the side seam of your pants, or forward of that, then a straight drop would be the choice. It should be noted that as you start moving the gun back around the hip, the angle must be increased to allow the gun to be drawn effectively. I like to wear a gun just behind the side deam of my pants, which for me is comfortable, and concealable. It also provides for protection of the weapon using one's elbow.
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Old 04-09-2001, 05:30 PM   #5
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I find that the straight drop is very fast, but harder to conceal. A certain amount of cant helps concealment, but there is a point of diminishing returns as the holster will need to be moved back on the waist. You'll end up reaching or contorting to draw, which will slow down your draw stroke.

Also important to draw comfort/speed, and frequently neglected, is the height of the holster relative to the belt. You'll have to figure it out for yourself what works best, but those with shorter torsos will generally find that high ride rigs are a pain.
 
Old 04-09-2001, 09:10 PM   #6
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I like the FBI cant.I seem to draw the gun quicker and the holster is more comfortable to me.
 
Old 04-10-2001, 08:08 AM   #7
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Master holstermaker Lou Alessi hit the nail on the head with his earlier post on the degree of cant having to be increased the farther back the holster is worn.

One advantage of a straight drop holster is that it permits one to obtain one's initial grasp on the pistol without "breaking" one's wrist downward. Straight-drop does pretty much require that the holster be worn directly on one's side and it can be less accessable when seated.

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Old 04-10-2001, 02:03 PM   #8
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I tried a FBI cant holster for IDPA and didn’t care for it.

For me drawing the gun straight up is more natural than pulling it forward to get it out of the holster. I see a lot of IDPA shooters lean forward when they draw from a canted holster. Maybe to make it easier to draw? Hell, I don’t know. It just looks unnatural and slower to me.

Once you get it out of the holster you have to stop the ass end of the gun and rotate it forward. Before you get that done, you might be covering yourself. If you Donnie Dumbass the draw and knock off your safety early, bad things can happen. I would much rather AD in the dirt than in my thigh.

Being an IPSC to IDPA convert, a straight drop holster will be easier to get used to.

This is for the game called IDPA. Not for real carry. For real carry/concealment, I think the cant helps with concealment. And yes, I do carry a gun concealed everyday. Just not on base.

If I offended anyone by saying IDPA is a game I am sorry, but I think it is and treat it as such. After all, the targets aren’t shooting back.

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On 2001-04-10 15:03, Oops! Fix me! wrote:
If I offended anyone by saying IDPA is a game I am sorry, but I think it is and treat it as such. After all, the targets aren’t shooting back.
I don't think any of us IDPA'ers are offended by your comment. We would have to be fools to think any different.

A serious game maybe, that MAY help in the real world, but a game non the less.
 
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I like to wear a gun just behind the side deam of my pants, which for me is comfortable, and concealable. It also provides for protection of the weapon using one's elbow.
Lou
Again Mr. Alessi shows great wisdom. I have been toting one of these things for 27 years, on duty and off, and it has always been a primary concern of mine to be able to protect it. I am not a competion shooter, so I can't address that point, but I think protection from being grabbed should be considered formost for your "carry" concerns.
 
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