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Old 12-30-2006, 08:08 PM   #1
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kimber external extractor

What is actually wrong with kimber's external extractor?
 
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Old 01-10-2007, 01:15 PM   #2
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Does no one know? Is it just a dead board?
 
Old 01-10-2007, 02:47 PM   #3
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Even Kimber couldn't figure it out. They went through several different revisions of the extractor, gave up and went back to an internal extractor.
 
Old 01-13-2007, 05:48 PM   #4
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Kimber External Extractors

Well I have two 1911 .45acp Kimbers both have the External Extractors and both have not had any problems. The extractors got off to a bad start IMHO by Kimber trying to fix many that were really just the owners own doing not Kimbers. I find the Internal Extractors also can have FTE problems. Kimber just dropped the External in many but not all of their 1911s mostly because they cost more then Internal ones. Most other Mfgs use a External Extractor and I feel it's a step forward. Sorry Kimber did not stick with them.
 
Old 01-13-2007, 08:21 PM   #5
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Re: Kimber External Extractors

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....Kimber just dropped the External in many but not all of their 1911s mostly because they cost more then Internal ones. Most other Mfgs use a External Extractor and I feel it's a step forward. Sorry Kimber did not stick with them.
I'm afraid that you've got it backwards. Kimber originally switched from the internal extractor to the external extractor to save money. The external extractor costs less and is a drop-in part. Internal extractors cost more and require more labor to adjust, which also adds to the cost.

I'm not bashing an external extractor per se, it's just that Kimber's design didn't work very well. Unfortunately, the fact that you've have never had a problem with your two Kimbers is statistically meaningless. I wish I knew what the actual numbers were but apparenly it was enough of a problem that Kimber not only switched back to a more expensive extractor but also spent money to retool/reprogram their machinery.
 
Old 01-14-2007, 05:42 PM   #6
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Kimber Ex. Ex.

Well if my two Kimbers with external extractors never having a problem with FTF problems are statistically meaningless. Give me some of your statistically meaningful ones proving they are a problem.

Yeah Yeah Dave I know your a CUSTOM gunsmith I read your ADD. So why not take care of that LARGE backlog of gunsmiting you say you have.
 
Old 01-14-2007, 06:48 PM   #7
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Re: Kimber Ex. Ex.

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Well if my two Kimbers with external extractors never having a problem with FTF problems are statistically meaningless. Give me some of your statistically meaningful ones proving they are a problem....
I'll say it again because you must have missed it the first time:
"I wish I knew what the actual numbers were but apparenly it was enough of a problem that Kimber not only switched back to a more expensive extractor but also spent money to retool/reprogram their machinery."

I'm sorry you've taken this so personally but the fact of the matter is that when there are thousands of an item that have been produced, a test sample of 2 is statistically insignificant regardless of what the product is. I've seen a lot more than two that had regular failures to extract (even after replacing the extractors with "improved" ones from Kimber) but those numbers are statistically meaningless too. The fact is, the only ones who know are Kimber employees and I doubt they will share that data with anyone.

Kimber is an extremely cost-conscious company. It's one of the factors that helped them turn the 1911 business upside down when they first started manufacturing them. I don't believe they would spend the money to retool, switch from the cheaper external exttractor to a more expensive part and spend more labor fitting that part just because of an internet rumor.
 
Old 01-14-2007, 11:51 PM   #8
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Re: Kimber Ex. Ex.

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Well if my two Kimbers with external extractors never having a problem with FTF problems are statistically meaningless. Give me some of your statistically meaningful ones proving they are a problem....
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... I'm sorry you've taken this so personally but the fact of the matter is that when there are thousands of an item that have been produced, a test sample of 2 is statistically insignificant regardless of what the product is. I've seen a lot more than two that had regular failures to extract (even after replacing the extractors with "improved" ones from Kimber) but those numbers are statistically meaningless too. ...

Mr. Berryhill, I understand what you're saying. I appreciate it and the other good info you take the time to impart. I believe HappyGunner is a lucky person in that he has two of the good ones. Have myself had good luck w/some other makes/models that seemingly gave others much trouble even to the point of condemnation.
 
Old 01-15-2007, 10:00 AM   #9
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How many Kimbers????

Just one quick question Dave how many Kimbers do you own internal or external? And don't just toss in a bunch of what others own that you know of.
 
Old 01-15-2007, 12:06 PM   #10
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I don't currently own any but I wouldn't hesitate to buy or carry several models if I found a good deal. However, none of those would include an external extractor. I don't know why you take such offense to this but I've seen enough of them fail to not be comfortable using one as anything but a range-only pistol. I'm glad that yours work well for you. Shoot them and enjoy them.

I'm always keeping my eyes open for a nice, clean pre-Series II Royal. Can you hook me up?
 
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