Raymond759

Hello Everyone:

Does it bother anybody else that this pistol comes with a plastic mainspring housing? I have replaced it with one of steel that looks exactly the same. It bothered me that a steel pistol would have a plastic part.

Am I nutz? You should meet the rest of my family, then it would be a given .

Ray

Bob Reed

Hello,

Yes, it bothers me badly - and ironically, I just ordered a steel MSH today to replace the composite MSH on a recently purchased Government Model.

Wild Bill Caldwell

Well to nite I'm about three sheets in the wind , read Bob Reeds post about Steven Camp....this is the last one I'm gonna reply to tonite....got to marry up with a chain saw bout daylight and cut down a bunch of SWEET GUMS , DAMM I hate SWEETGUMS , some of these are big and leanin the wrong way.....Plastic MSH..????....played guitar for Nat Stucky some, He was a DJ on KWKH radio......Nat Had a song that covered this good enough....DON'T GIVE ME NO PLASTIC SADDLE,,,,,,LET ME FEEL THAT LEATHER WHEN I RIDE

Wild Bill

Sarge405

While I usually don't care what something is made of as long as it works, I have to agree. I have seen one MSH break at the cap retaining pin hole from pressure. We all have to suffer the indignities of modern life with cost cutting from manufacturers. Cars are not made steel anymore, everything in our homes is plastic, glass has been replaced with it. Carry on Mr Reed.

Bob Reed

Bill and Sarge,

Excluding our Totally Corrupt Government and that Punk FROM Kenya, plastic-junk and stuff that's Made in CHINA will be the ruination of America.

one eye joe

VERY well said, Bob. BTW Bob, is that MSH a part from (interchangeable with) the Kimber Polymer Gold Match ? ?

Bob Reed

Hello Joe,

This is a little embarrassing, but I didn't realize I was in the Kimber Section untill after I had posted (I just saw plastic MSH in the little menue on the home page and clicked on it).

To answer your question, I would assume that a steel MSH would work (if Kimber uses a standard dimensioned MSH on their polymer frame(s), but from what I understand - if it's a Series II Kimber with the Swartz safety, some non-Kimber-produced MSHs will drop in fine, and some need to be fitted in order to keep the Swartz push rod where it needs to be.

JohnnyT

Well...I guess I'll be the lone voice in the wilderness, but here goes.

I've had plastic housings in early Colt 1991A1s that have seen tens of thousands of rounds without a problem. Doesn't mean that I prefer plastic housings...just that they're not the work of the devil or anything.

Sarge...The housing that broke at the pin hole had somethin' out of spec. If the gun is in order, the cap never touches the pin unless the housing is removed.

one eye joe

Bob, I'm TOTALLY in the dark about Kimbers. They are eye pleasing, however. My question arose from seeing the polymer Kimber thread on our forum. I've NEVER owned or even shot anything other than a Colt 1911.......

Brian D.

I've had a couple of guns come with the plastic MSH's. Over time I've parts-swapped so that my lightweight 1911's, which get carried more than shot, have the plastic housings. And the full weight guns, which get fired more than carried, have the steel housings.

one eye joe

Brian, that makes perfect sense IMHO................

Sarge405

Yes, the retaining pin hole was drilled too close to the top of the housing itself. Removing the housing for detailed stripping/cleaning caused it to break.

cohee

My STI Trojan has a polyment MSH. They say that it is self lubricating. It's checkered surface does give a good grip.

Wonder if that is really true about the lubrication, or just a way to add 8 bucks profit to the gun?

Brian D.

And now that you quoted my boo-boo, it's there forever, even after I edited the original.

Sarge405

Ok, I am not the internet police but I do have a sense of decency. I will never call a President of the United States, whether I voted for him or not, like him or not, insulting childish names. This is the greatest country this planet has yet produced, with the best political system yet. We live with a majority rule and an orderly transition of powers. We have fought to keep it that way. It may have weaknesses, after all it is made up of flawed human beings like all of us, but it has survived. My oath to this country still means something to me, to protect it like I protect my family and my friends. Whichever party, whomever the President, whether I like or dislike the policies. I have the next election to have my voice heard, as an adult.

one eye joe

Brian, your secret is safe with me. I will edit MY quote, bro. I know that it was inadvertent.........

Bob Reed

Sarge - he's an Ineligible Usurper that was installed in the oval office by a totally corrupt bunch of Leftist/Socialist/DemoRats and RINOs that's Hell-Bent on Destroying Your Country!

And sadly, No-one in Uniform seems to give a damn that he's an Ineligible Criminal.

Sorry for the off topic post - but it needed to be said.

Wild Bill Caldwell

He Never had a job...He's from the most corrupt city on this earth...He is owned by pollosi , reid , whoever sent him to law school....read his book , it is sickenin , his book tells where he stands and no where is his stand the american way...he bears no resemblance to Patrick Henry, George Washington , Paul Revere , I could fill a page with Patriots names he has no resemblance to , when did he plosi reid ever suffer for this country....he is a disgrace , he is not a man , he's a sham but he's loved by the undies because the undies haven't worked in seven generations and are so use to bein taken care of by the workin people of this country they are impossible to ever make work....butt what I've written is well known , a blind dumb , monkey can see how much we've fallen since the demofreaks took over , tho We have been headed downard for a bunch of years

Wild Bill

one eye joe

VERY well said Wild Bill ! ! IMHO, IF you voted for Obummer in 2008 to prove that you're not a racist, you need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove that you're NOT AN IDIOT..............

Raymond759

Gentleman:

I had no idea that my dislike of plastic parts on a steel gun was so political! Show's you what I know. LOL

Ray

JohnnyT

My 2% of a buck...

I think Barry O's presidency is actually a good thing. It has clearly revealed the socialist agenda of so many...too many...of our elected officials. They campaign on the "Little Guy" promise to get the seat...then work toward what they want instead of what is best for the country. His support base is falling apart, and even many of the nanny state teat feeders who lined up to vote for him have started to wonder what in the blue bloody hell they've done.

Back to the mainspring housings.

A good plastic mainspring housing is no big deal unless you've simply got an aversion to plastic parts. If they're made good materials, and are within spec, they should be good to go for the life of the pistol...and beyond. I've never seen one break, and have heard of only a few.

Most of the ones that do fail have the cap pin located too low and take the brunt of the spring's force before, or just as the hammer hits the slide. Those are easy to spot before buying. Lower the hammer and check to see if it has some loose play in it or if it's in firm contact with the slide by tension from the mainspring. Note that this condition can also exist with a short strut.

Wild Bill Caldwell

DAMM John....Best lay off that TURBO MUDD for a spell...b o ' presidency has been a GOOD THING ????..That is like sayin.." it's a good thing Booth shot Lincoln with a snub nose , now we know snub nose pistols will kill people " John that is a HELLOFA line of reasonin....Any FOOL with no brain knows about the socialist agenda , have known about it for years , FOOLS in this country elected obama knowin well his socialist agenda ...again , read his book , read how he has a coil of hate for white people , any thing connected to the demo party is socialist , sad thing to consider is the repubs are very little better , maybe they intend to take us to a socialist goverment a little slower than the demos ....socialist agenda ? look at the university he went to , nobody right of center goes there....Your line of reasonin seems to run parallel to the blacks that were workin for Me durin the last election....I said , "You people are gonna vote for obama"...Sure are" ...."You gonna vote for obama because hes black" ..."sure Are"....I said"Hes 50% white, 37% black" , so he ain't really black "....They all said , "thats close enough for us" and that line of reasonin is why he will be elected again

Wild Bill

JohnnyT

Sure it's a good thing, Bill. He's tipped his hand, and he's arrogant enough to think that John C. Voter is too stupid to see it. Even his staunchest supporters are runnin' for cover.

cohee

JohnnyT,

I agree with you about obama. The only difference between mccain and obama was the velocity with they were taking us over the cliff. Obama is going at warp 6 and mccain would take us over the cliff at 55 mph.

People are more aware of what's going on now. A couple of years ago, most people thought speaker of the house was part of a home entertainment system.

The tea party is a symptom of ordinary every day Americans waking up and realizing what's happening to our country. ABC (any body but the commie) in 12!

Sarge405

1st, I am not going to debate internet rumor on the Presidents birth status.

2nd, what makes this country great, what I fought for and my brothers died for was the right for ALL AMERICANS to have their own opinions and beliefs, Republicans, Demorcrats, rightists, leftists etc. Yours sir is not the only opinion that is the correct one.

3rd, the "no in uniform gives a damn" comment really stings. Sir, I have been in one form of uniform or another since I was 18. Serving this great country and my community. Protecting those I disagree with, agree with, like, dislikke-doesn't matter. Thats the point, WE DO CARE. About America as a country. About protecting IT, its Citizens, its form of government, ITS VERY EXISTENCE! We as "uniform wearers" are separate from our elected gov't. Thats what makes us different from all the 3rd world countries with coups every year. The PEOPLE elect the leaders, we keep the peace and protect the country. We give a damn sir, thats why we put our lives on the line for you, even if we disagree with you. But you are under the misconception that we will dishonor our oath, country and ourselves just to placate your beliefs.

I am now done.

JohnnyT

Well said, Sarge...and I'm with ya.

But...

I swore an oath to protect and defend the United States and its Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic...and there wasn't a line on the DD214 that nullified that oath.

From all indications, this POTUS and his administration seem to be intent on destroying the country and our way of life...including the Bill of Rights. I can't make myself believe that this is simply due to unfortunate circumstance when all signs indicate specific design. Tear it down to the ground and rebuild it the way YOU want it is one of the oldest political strategies in the book. The 1917 Russian Revolution is an example. Pol Pot...Mao Tse Tung...and Fidel Castro...right here in our own neighborhood have all set the precedent.

one eye joe

I totally respect what Sarge is sayin', but I MUST totally agree with you John. This European style of Socialism that we are slippin' into is not what we veterans and our families fought to preserve. I want my kids and grandkids to grow up in the same WONDERFUL America that I was privileged to live in. I don't see that happening and it REALLY pisses me off........

Sarge405

I have to come back to say this.

I agree that you have the right to disagree. That is the fundamental nature of our political system. But we have elections to remove those whom we disapprove of. The sitting President was duly elected by popular vote, not by force.. By how and what this country stands for and by since its creation. If the majority of Americans are dissatisfied with him or the party he represents then in the next election you have the right as citizens to rectify the situation with an orderly transition of power. If you suggest armed revolt you will be, in my opinion, violiating the Constitution of the United States of America. I think my time is done here. Peace be with you all.

JohnnyT

Sarge...Lest I be misunderstood...let me offer this:

When Bill Clinton dallied with Miss Monica in late-night Oval Office sessions...his supporters rallied 'round the rascal and said that it was a private matter...and that it shouldn't be any of our concern.

I begged to differ. Had they gotten a room and carried on their little tryst, I would have agreed that it was a matter between him and his wife to discuss.

But...He didn't do that. He did it in the Oval Office. He failed to respect that office. It wasn't his White House and it wasn't his office. It was...and is...the property of every American in the country. His actions were unacceptable. Conduct unbecoming and officer and a gentleman if you will.

So, while I have the greatest respect for the Office of the President...sometimes I have none at all for the man who occupies that office...and I reserve the right to refer to him as a clown or an imbecile...or as a lying, underhanded son of a bitch if he earns that.

Bob Reed

Sarge - the facts regarding this obama-Punk being an Ineligible Usurper are Not just internet rumors, they are cold-hard facts! Please do some research Sarge, this sob is a criminal and he is Not eligible for office.

This worthless-scumbag-criminal-obama, could Not even pass a security clearence to clean toilets at the White House, but yet he's protected on a daily basis by Men in Uniform that Took an Oath to Protect and Defend the United States and it's Constitution from ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic - and yet these Men in Uniform Protect him and they'd gladly put a bullet through a Patriots head in order to protect this Ineligible Usurper.

That's why I say no-one in Uniform gives a damn, because if they did, they'd Arrest this Ineligible-Maggot and drag it out of the oval office in Handcuffs and hold a "Legal Court" on the scumbag right there on the White House Lawn! And then they'd Arrest the other Tyrants for their Rapes against The America Citizens and The Constitution.

For what it's worth Sarge, I haven't lost respect for the ground soldiers and I have an enormous amount of respect for a certain Sheriff in Texas and a handful of Sworn Officers that's scattered across America - but other than them, the rest of 'em Don't impress me at all.

one eye joe

I TOTALLY agree with you, Sarge. That's the Democracy and the Constitution that we all love, at work..........

JohnnyT

One of the good things about America is that we can criticize, challenge, and poke fun at our "Elected Elite" without fear of a knock on the door at 0200. There are indications that's subject to change in the next few years, however, and those of us who have done so in a public venue may be called to task for it.