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Old 07-28-2001, 11:15 PM   #1
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To follow a thought from another thread. what are the best pieces out there in these price points.

$1000.00
$1500.00
$2000.00
Over $2K
 
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Old 07-28-2001, 11:26 PM   #2
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Here are my thoughts:

$1000 -- STI Trojan. It can be had for less than this, and there is a lot of hand fitting and "custom" features that you won't find on similarly priced models from Kimber, Springfield or Colt.

$1500 -- Probably Wilson Combat Millenium Protector. The customer service from Wilson makes the price a great value.

$2000 and up -- has to be a hand-built piece by a good one-man pistolsmith shop. Les Baer, Ed Brown, etc. DO NOT fit the bill. Nor does a high-priced factory gun like the Springfield Bureau model. IMHO, you can get a much better gun in this price range from a one man shop like Burns, Garthwaite, Vickers, Morris, Heinie, etc. etc. It will be a much better value. And for my money, that means buying a slide and frame, specifying all componenets and building from the ground up. No buying a Kimber or a 1991A1 and then "customizing". IMHO, a full-house gun means starting from a bare frame and slide.
 
Old 07-30-2001, 09:28 AM   #3
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Ditto on the Trojan in any caliber you want.

Actually, if you want a custom made just for you gun you might seek out someone who does just that. Then you are limited only by your own wants, imagination and wallet. In the north Dallas area look up Williams Gun Repair but he's not in the book. You get him through my e-mail addy. Custom 1911s no problem.

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Old 07-30-2001, 09:57 AM   #4
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I have to add this to the above. There is no best gun out there.

After too many years of retail and too many folks with "best" stories (good information along with misinformation).

This is the basic guideline I recommend to my buyers.

If the gun you are looking at has the features you want, fits your individual hand and feels good (not to mention price range). That is the best gun for the money for that individual which is why the selection is so great. Every gun let alone product out there has specific advantages as well as disadvantages.

Alway, and I repeat always check out the details. No one reads the fine print anymore and that is what causes the returns.

In similar priced guns you will find in all price ranges differences such as.

On manufacturer uses stainless match barrels, the other carbon steel, one uses 30 LPI checkering on the mainspring housing the other uses 20 LPI serrations, uses 400 grit finish the other dehorns and bead blasts. One uses plastic mainspring housings and one uses aluminum, One uses a two piece guide rod and the other uses one piece. One uses a name brand sight and the other uses a "knock off," One uses a match grade hand fitted bushing and the other uses a standard grade bushing, One will say what ammo to use and works the best in there product, one does not. One backs customer service and the other states it backs customer service. One production gun, (I said pure production gun, like 20 to 30 thousand guns a year, here so do not misunderstand) has a great customer service policy and responds immediately because it has to. The company plans on a small percentage of breakage to meet the costs of production and there by gives themselves a great reputation for customer service.

The details is where it is at.

The costs are in the details.

I play the "Ford vs Chevy" routine on every gun and brand out there. There are two retail perspectives and they are: I can sell you what makes me the most money or I can sell you what you need.

Being in the retail business I will see or get most if not all back because something just wasn't they way the buyer/shooter wanted it, he read something somewhere else, a good buddy told him some story or whatever.

Do your research but you get what you pay for front end or back end.

I hope this helps.
 
Old 07-30-2001, 10:32 AM   #5
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Terry, this IS research!!!

I ask these questions for my own sake. There is a wealth of educated opinions out there and I want to know who has the best reputation/track record.

I can't tell you how many guns I've paid retail or close to it for and sold at a loss trying to find the pistol that suits my tastes.

Sadly in my area there aren't many stocking dealers of custom or semi custom guns.

Yeah, I can look at the Kimbers and maybe a coupl'a Wilson Combat's if I'm interested in a CQB (the best selling product) or a Millenium (the lowest single stack on the totem pole) but I can't see a Les Baer, STI/SVI, etc. because the market is so small.

I don't know a local dealer that could afford to be a stocking dealer for every high end line. So I come to my friends here and ask what they know.

Anyway thanks for telling me the obvious.

By the way, what's your favorite gun for under $1000.00, $1500 or 2grand and up?

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Old 07-30-2001, 12:02 PM   #6
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In 1911's?

Sub-$1,000: A base Kimber with several hundred bucks in tune-up and replacement parts.

$1,000-$1,500: Seem like many good 1911's in this range, from Wilson to Valtro. My choice would still be a base Kimber with even more work done, match barrel, Heinie night sights, etc.

$2,000+? A custom from Dane Burns. Yes, many fine custom shops out there, but for customer service and knowledge of what makes a great carry 1911, my money will go to Burns every time. He doesn't trash his guns up with gizmos, or things you don't need...and hey, they work every time. To me, that is the only reason to spend $2,000+ on any pistol not meant for the collector's safe.
 
Old 07-30-2001, 01:48 PM   #7
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Consider this, all prices from BCP site:

Videcki Trigger & Complete carry trigger job: $200
Ed Brown thumb safety: $100
Ed Brown grip safety: $150
Heinie Slant-Pro sights: $200
Bar-Sto match barrel fitted: $300

Figure $550 for the base gun, and...

Grand total: $1,500 :smile:
 
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I think you should also factor time into the equation. I.e., all other things being equal, a $1500 pistol that you can take home today is worth more than a $1500 pistol that you have to wait 6-60 months to get.

Isn't that the main advantage of "semi-custom" pistols over the one man shops?
 
Old 07-30-2001, 05:18 PM   #9
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Patience, grasshopper Matt, patience :smile:

The custom and semi-customs I have are long haul pistols. If you consider owning them for 30 years, then handing them to your kids, 6 months waiting on the front side is forgotten. The key to it is deciding, then doing. My first 1911 I fooled around for a year or more wondering *exactly* which one I wanted...when I got it I changed everything on it :grin:
 
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Quote:
On 2001-07-30 13:48, CastleBravo wrote:
Consider this, all prices from BCP site:

Videcki Trigger & Complete carry trigger job: $200
Ed Brown thumb safety: $100
Ed Brown grip safety: $150
Heinie Slant-Pro sights: $200
Bar-Sto match barrel fitted: $300

Figure $550 for the base gun, and...

Grand total: $1,500 :smile:


I think CB got it right, this is the best way to look at it.

I can't wait to get my Springfield in Dane's hands for the 9x23 conversion. But I''m also getting my Kimber done up too, currently getting "The wave" deal and a reliability job, soon to get the full package "FED" or something similar. I think it's the best way to go.
Although I am an impatient cuss, so sometimes an impulse buy at my fav shop or at a gunshow is in order. :smile: :grin:
 
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