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Old 08-28-2013, 06:42 AM   #1
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Which company makes the most reliable 1911 style pistol? I have owned three different Colt 1911's, and none would feed hollow points. I would love to have an Officer's model that is reliable when shooting factory hollow point ammo.
 
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Old 08-28-2013, 03:15 PM   #2
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That's a LOADED question, and fanboys of all makes will chime in with different answers. I think any of the quality makes would be a good start...Wilson, Les Baer, Ed Brown, Dan Wesson, Springfield's TRP line...all very reliable, high quality pieces.

There are also lesser-priced options out there with good reliability. An no, I'm not talking about $350 junk.

Buyer beware, you get what you pay for...and shooting 50 rounds without a jam then sitting on a night stand for years does not determine reliability.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 04:12 AM   #3
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Is the problem with all HPs or one specific brand?

How many rounds do you have through each Colt? Have you ever replaced the recoil spring?
Has there been any work done on the barrel or feed ramp (I am not suggesting it get done, yet)?
Have you tried a different brand of magazine?
 
Old 08-29-2013, 06:24 AM   #4
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Hello,

My vote goes to COLT and I'm a firm believer in having standardized weapons, parts and extra magazines - and when it comes to 1911's, I exclusively stick with Genuine COLT Government Model 1911's and Genuine COLT Parts & 7-Shot COLT Factory Magazines (COLT Part No. SP53355B for Blued or COLT Part No. SP572491 for Stainless Steel 7-Shot Magazines - both of these magazines have flat followers w/the pimple, or the so called dimple).

As you maybe aware by now - Check-Mate Industries makes the 1911 magazines for COLT that have a letter C on the base plate, and Check-Mate produces a very high quality magazine - especially the ones that are made to COLT'S Specs. Check-Mate has also apparently started using John Browning's originally designed D shaped dimple (or pimple depending on how you look at it) on the flat follower (the last batch of COLT Factory Magazines that I received has it) - and this is a good thing! Browning's original D shaped pimple (or dimple if looking at the bottom of the follower) does a much better job of preventing a round from jumping forward under recoil than the easier to produce round pimple does.

BTW: The pimple on the follower needs to be there! John Browning didn't stay-up all night and include it into the design just for the Hell-of-it.

Also, once you go under 4.25" inches of barrel length on The M1911 - then reliability more than likely will suffer. Yes, I know some COLT Defenders & Officer Models run fine - but from what I've seen, their a minority. So, it's really best to stick with at least 4.25" inches of barrel, i.e., The COLT Commander or COLT'S Concealed Carry Officers Model that has the 4.25" inch Commander Slide & Barrel on an Officers Frame if you want to go shorter than a standard 5" inch Government Model.

JohnnyT is a True 1911 Expert - so hopefully he'll come along with some advise for you as well.
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:43 AM   #5
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Bob,
Thanks for the advice. I can tell that you have a lot of experience with the Colt 1911's. Isn't it a shame that Colt either can not or will not build a 1911 that is reliable just as it comes from the factory? At today's prices I would think that these pistols should be reliable. I depend on my carry guns for self defense, and to me that means a magazine full of 240 grain hollow points. It is a real shame that a customer must send his new 1911 to a trained expert for tuning before the gun will be dependable.
 
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Thanks Rich - I just consider myself as a 1911 Armorer, and NOT an expert. The 1911 experts is JohnnyT and Wild Bill and some of the other members.

The last two new COLT Government Models that I bought were fine right outta the box - but keep-n-mind that these have 5" inch barrels and due to The M1911's design, the 4.25" inch Commander is about as short as you can go without running into reliability issues.

Like I said above, once you go under 4.25" inches of barrel length on The M1911 - then reliability more than likely will suffer. And yes, I know some COLT Defenders & Officer Models run fine - but from what I've seen, their a minority. So, it's really best to stick with at least a 4.25" inch Commander due to the 1911's design - and not the maker.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 08:37 AM   #7
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Colt Reliabilit Problems

"Isn't it a shame that Colt either can not or will not build a 1911 that is reliable just as it comes from the factory? At today's prices I would think that these pistols should be reliable."

Frankly, I think your criticism of "out of the box reliability problems" with Colt isn't exactly fair or correct. I personally have and regularly shoot two of my "newer" Colts ( a LW Commander in .45 ACP and a LW Commander in .38 Super) and have never had a hiccup with either one - shooting both hardball and hollow points. I also have a WWI and a WWII Colt reproduction (most recent models) and they go bang (with FMJ ammo, for which they are designed), every time I pull the trigger.
 
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Frankly, I think your criticism of "out of the box reliability problems" with Colt isn't exactly fair or correct. I personally have and regularly shoot two of my "newer" Colts ( a LW Commander in .45 ACP and a LW Commander in .38 Super) and have never had a hiccup with either one - shooting both hardball and hollow points. I also have a WWI and a WWII Colt reproduction (most recent models) and they go bang (with FMJ ammo, for which they are designed), every time I pull the trigger.
I agree with you 100% and think most of the BS about COLT'S being unreliable outta the box is error-net rumors - and All my COLT 1911's have ran just fine right "outta the box". In fact, I have another COLT Model 01991 on order as I type this. My daughter carries a box-stock '71 COLT Combat Commander that hasn't had Anything done to it other than an occasional complete disassembly & detail cleaning and of course regular cleanings after firing sessions, and it still runs like a Swiss Watch even after being fired a lot over the last 42 Years!

FWIW: Every time I get a new or used weapon, the first thing I do is detail strip it, inspect it, clean-out any & all grit that the factory may have missed and then reassemble it well lubed, and being OCD like this pay's off in the long run - because not too long ago upon dissembling (2) newer production 9mm MKIII Browning's that were handed to me un-fired and NIB (but at different times) for my single-side Factory Safety Modification and magazine disconnect removal, I noticed that the little retaining tab was broken off the safety's shaft. Keep-n-mind that these two HP's came from the Factory with the retaining tab sheared off, and just guessing, it was probably due to either being assembled by a new worker at FN that didn't really know what they were doing yet (or these HP's possibly could have been laid down HARD on their right side with their slides & grip panels off during the assembly process) and the impact on the more exposed (unprotected w/out slide & grip panel) the R.H. safety lever was hit hard enough to shove the safety's shaft towards the left just enough for the tab to smack up against the ejector with enough force to break the tab off - plus the part being made from weaker/cheaper MIM instead of STEEL (the way they should be made didn't help matters). FWIW: These safety's would have been OK to use "IF" I wasn't making single-side safety's out of them, in other words, the R.H. Lever and the detent would have prevented the safety's from walking outta the frame.

BTW: When it comes to AR-15's, COLT and Specialized Armament's Custom COLT'S are The Only one's I'll buy and own. Obviously, my favorite one's came from Ken Elmore (Specialized Armament).

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Old 09-22-2013, 01:56 AM   #9
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I may be confused.
Reliability versus HP feeding.

Reliability with the ammo designed originally to work with it (ball), versus HP (which came out later).

Colt should not get blamed for my action of stuffing something in that it was not designed to digest.
 
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I have a number of unaltered USGI pistols that are in good to excellent condition. The date of manufacture ranges from 1913 to 1945. They can't seem to tell the difference between ball and hollowpoints, and even 200-grain cast SWCs as long as they're a close copy of the H&G #68...and they feed'em from the original "Hardball" style magazines.

The only hollowpoints that give'em trouble are the truncated cone type...like the old Hydra Shok and the Hornady XTP...and I can adjust the seated depth of the XTP and make'em work in all but three pistols.

Of course, bein' that they have a lot of collector value, I haven't shot'em much...maybe 200 times each to verify function...but they seem to do just fine with modern hollowpoints for the most part.

The 1911 was designed to function. If the gun is built to the correct specs and fed decent ammunition from proper magazines...it will function. It doesn't have a choice. It's a machine.
 
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