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Old 10-30-2001, 06:27 AM   #1
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Who makes slides and frames for Brown, Rock River Arms, Les Baer and Wilson? Any one better than the other? Why or why not? Not talking about the total pistol, just the quality of the slide and frame. No flamming please, just your opinion. Thanks, Sam :smile:
 
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Old 10-30-2001, 01:05 PM   #2
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I know that Wilson, Kimber and CMC slides & frames are all made by a company called Jerico and are essentially identical. Ed Brown says they make their own, as do RRA. I think Baer makes their own frames & slides, too.

What is best is a tough call. As a practical matter I'd call it a toss-up, though I'm sure the pistolsmiths here have preferences.
 
Old 10-30-2001, 01:45 PM   #3
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See my post at your other question regarding frames.
 
Old 01-08-2002, 11:17 AM   #4
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Here is a link to answer this question

http://www.razorhide.com/kimberforum

just click on the jerico vs. jerico

This is 4 years old, but I would think nothing has changed
 
Old 01-13-2002, 12:47 PM   #5
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Fortyfive - interesting link.

Does anyone have any info on the Ithaca line mentioned there. I did not know they where making 1911's. Or where they a flash in the pan that I missed while out to sea.
 
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The Ithica guns were a limited edition.

Let's set the story straight since the question has been batted back and forth on several threads.

Currently ie, 01/2002
Rock River and Les Baer are using frames and slides made in a machine shop by the same OEM jobber.

Wilson Combat is using Jericho..ie Kimber for their in house guns, frame and slide. The newest Wilson light rail gun is Caspian frame and slide.

Nowlin, CMC, Kimber again like Wilson Combat come from the same place.

Ed Brown is now using Caspian frame and slides. He has in the past used the same machine shop as his OEM as Les Baer and Rock River.

SVI is producing their own frame. I am unsure about STI but might assume (risky in this business) that they are also producing their own.

I must assume Colt makes their own frame and slide. As does Springfield.

Now before anyone replies, please either have your facts straight or be willing to make that statement under oath. A little less bs on this subject will go a long ways IMO.

I don't care who makes what. I only care about what I make/modify/build on/swear at and my quality. I haven't listed a gun or maker that I wouldn't be THRILLED to own and shoot myself.
 
Old 01-13-2002, 02:50 PM   #7
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Dane, Who is the "OEM jobber" who makes the frames and slides for RRA and LB? Isn't it "Carl Lewis Machine" :???: Thanks, Sam



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Old 01-13-2002, 05:13 PM   #8
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Karl Lewis is spelled with a K, is an outstanding maker of many firearm parts. He does OEM only.

I strongly suggest we go along with Dane on this one.

A little less BS would go a long way.

No gun maker does everything in house himself. Why would they want to? Or how could they afford to.

No gunmaker makes springs. Springmakers do them.

No gunmaker makes magazines, not even Colt. They may own the tool that produces the part, but the parts are stamped and assembled at a huge stamping facility far away.

The finest gunmakers/pistolsmiths we have are ALL having certain items sourced out, at least in part. But what's important here is the final name that is stamped on the gun. The ATF has ruled that the maker is the person who assembles the pieces into a gun.

And the maker is the one going to stand behind it.

Karl Lewis is not going to help you if you have trouble with your RRA so it shouldn't matter if he originally made the frame.

And the FBI is not going after Karl Lewis if the gun is used in a crime. They will look and see who's name is on the frame.

Can we please drop this subject? It just gets everyone upset.

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Old 01-13-2002, 05:35 PM   #9
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Please don't infer that Jericho...will help you on Kimber, CMC, Wilson or Nowlin problems, just as Karl Lewis isn't going to help you with LB, or RR. Caspian will not on their OEM contracts, like Casual for instance, or me if I decide to have them produce a frame and slide with BCP stamped on it.

Neither would I deny that relationship if I had it. I am proud of who I work with. But I also don't think it is anyone's business who they are in any case.

I suspect most in the gun business feel more strongly than I about revealing those relationships.

But then I never claimed, jobbed out, machine checkering, as "hand done" or that I build my own frames, slides, barrels or parts in my own shop. This forum and the Internet in general should be an eye opener for those that do claim such things, but don't in actuality.

Most folks get a case of the ass when they find out they are being lied to.

While honesty in this business is sometimes hard to come by, there aren't many who are intentionally defrauding the customer that I know of.

Things like "forged" or good customer service are often subjective. Takes only a few minutes to get a bunch of opinions and then you need to make your own judgements.

The sellers reputaion is all I care about. I buy and use Ed Brown, Caspian, Heinie, BarSto, Storm Lake, Wilson, Nowlin, CMC, Kimber guns and parts all the time among just a few. If I have a problem I call them up and get the problem squared away.

It aint the name on the stuff Dude, it is who sells it to you. Do you trust them and their reputation? My first question is the reputation earned or bought. The guys listed above got their's the hard way. They earned it.


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