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Old 01-24-2005, 05:42 PM   #1
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Makarov trigger weight of pull

I have two Mak's. One is a Russian and the other is a Bulgarian. Both function very well. MAN I LOVE THESE PISTIOLS! I have stoned the hammer sear notch to give a very crisp and SAFE trigger. I plan on using these for a carry gun and some informal target work. The single action on the Bulgarian is 4 1/2 lb. and the Russian is a bit more at 5 1/4 lb. Double action pull on both is very heavy. My questions are, what is considered to be the ideal single and double action pull weight for my purposes? Also, I have read on another site that I can lower the double action pull by narrowing the width of the wide side of the main spring. Second question is. How can I lower the single action weight? I am shooting Barnaul ammo. FMJ and HP. Ejection of spent cases is several feet and the recoil is a little "sharp" to say the least. Should I would install a Wolfe #19 lb. recoil spring in place of the factory spring?
Thanks in advance for any replys on my questions.
 
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Old 01-25-2005, 03:26 AM   #2
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There are no clear specs on the DA pull on a Mak. Most people just tune the mainspring until it feels about right. The key is to remove the metal in small increments - cut and try, cut and try.

As to the SA pull, I do not know of anyone who has messed with that. Generally, that is a matter of breaking in the pistol over a few hundred trigger pulls.

In regard to the recoil spring, I have a dozen Maks and have replaced the standard 17# springs with the heavier Wolff springs on all of them. I recommend replacing the standard spring with a 19# (if you are shooting 95 gr bullets) or a 21# ( if you are going to shoot the heavier bullets). The heavier springs greatly improve perceived recoil by reducing shock. Also, they tend to reduce the distance that the spent casings fly to something less than low Earth orbit.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 12:38 PM   #3
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My da trigger pull as i received my russian mak was 13.5lb. And the single action pull was 5.75 lb. I polished the hammer spring and the hammer mating surfaces using a polishing wheel, this reduced the da pull to 11.5 lb. The only lubricant i was using at this point was ballistol or breakfree clp. There didn't seem to be any difference between the two as a lubricant. I then read about the effectiveness of molybdenum disulfide as a trigger group lubricant and ordered 5 ml of mil-spec. Moly grease through ebay for 3.99 including shipping. I took the gun completely apart and put a very small amount, using a toothpick on all the mating surfaces in the trigger bar, trigger, hammer, and sear. This reduced the da pull to 9.5 lb. And the sa pull to 4.75 lb. I consider this to be very good and is ab out the same as i have seen published for the sig p226.

I also love my mak and have had no malfunctions of any kind using my handloads or factory ammo in over 1000 rounds fired.
 
 
Old 02-07-2015, 05:33 PM   #4
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Welcome to Pistolsmith and thank you for the report. Interesting difference using MolyD grease. As I have no experience with Maks, how does the trigger feel otherwise?
 
Old 02-09-2015, 03:21 AM   #5
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Makarov trigger feel

THE TRIGGER PULL AFTER THE SMALL AMOUNT OF POLISHING AND APPLICATION OF THE MOLY LUBE IS A SMOOTH CONTINUOUS PULL TO A FAIRLY CRISP BREAK. NOT AS CRISP AS MY SMITH & WESSON REVOLVERS, BUT VERY PREDICTABLE. THERE IS NO TWO STAGE EFFECT. I HAVE NOT HAD EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH PISTOLS EXCEPT FOR A RUGER MK ii. I WOULD SAY THAT THE MAK IS LESS CREEPY THAN THE RUGER. I HAVE MAINLY BEEN A REVOLVER SHOOTER.

I WENT TO THE SHOOTING RANGE YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE TRIGGER WORK. I ALSO TOOK MY S&W MODEL 28 FOR AN ACCURACY COMPARISON. BEFORE THE TRIGGER WORK MY GROUP SIZES FOR THE TWO GUNS WERE PRACTICALLY THE SAME. YESTERDAY I SHOT BETTER GROUPS WITH THE MAK. I HAD MORE FLYERS WITH THE MOD. 28 SHOOTING .38 SPECIAL OF SIMILAR POWER TO THE MAK. 30 SHOT GROUPS WERE ABOUT 2.5" WITH THE MAK AND 4" WITH THE MODEL 28 (OFFHAND AT 10 YD.)

THANKS FOR THE RESPONSE TO MY FIRST POST.

JIM POLING
 
Old 02-10-2015, 02:06 AM   #6
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Some .357s shoot .38 Specials accurately and some won't even if the specific .38 load is accurate in most .38s.
 
Old 02-16-2015, 06:22 AM   #7
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Makarov Accuracy

I agree with your comment but I have since been to the range with side by side comparisons of the Makarov to my Model 36 and my Model 15 Smith & Wesson 38's. The Makarov definitely shoots tighter groups than either of these, even with the slightly better trigger pulls of the Smiths.
Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of older Smith & Wesson revolvers and have shot them almost exclusively for about 40 years, but to my surprise I can shoot better groups with the Makarov. In my reading on the internet, this should not have been a surprise to me, I just didn't believe it until I bought and shot a Makarov.

Jim Poling
 
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Your Mak is more accurate than your Model 15 Smith? Is the latter out of spec somehow?
 
Old 02-23-2015, 05:25 AM   #9
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I don't have the necessary equipment to check the Model 15 in order to measure all the spec's affecting accuracy, but it does lockup tight with very little cylinder movement. It also is not out of timing nor does it have excessive cylinder gap. The average group size, shooting offhand at 10 yds. for a 25 shot group is 3.25" for the Model 15 and 2.75" for the Makarov. I know that both guns would be capable of much better groups in the hands of a better shooter than I am. These groups were obtained at an outdoor range shooting my cast bullets and reloaded by me. I doubt that I have developed the optimum loads for either cartridge.
I have observed other shooters at the range shooting about 1.0" groups with a Model 19, but they were shooting from a rest.
Maybe, I will try both guns from a rest and see what happens.

Thanks for the response,
Jim Poling
 
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If you haven't already, you might want to check the crowns at the rifling. Use a magnifying glass and a Q-tip. The former usually shows wear, especially uneven wear; fibers caught from the latter obviate unseen roughness.

Most likely your Smiths are normal, though.
 
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