p14 fte

adk · 11-30-2005, 08:50 AM

The only trouble I've ever had with my 1994 all-steel P14.45 is lately a failure to extract with Winchester White Box ball. This never happened in years past.

Also, something else new is happening at the same time: the fired cases come out all sooty. All of them, not just the FTE's. I thought this may have something to do with the extraction problem -- as if the ammo is too low-pressure to seal the case against the chamber wall, letting all the soot blow back along the case and fouling the chamber, messing up extraction? I think I've heard this can happen.

I'll polish the chamber and see how it goes. Would much appreciate any advice. Thanks. adk

Shane1911 · 11-30-2005, 09:00 AM

I would simply clean the chamber, before considering any polishing.

Suggest you also try a new recoil spring. There is a chance that your pistol is unlocking early due to a very worn (or broken) recoil spring. That could contribute to a lot of powder residue as well.

Or, you may simply have got a box of bad ammo. It does happen. I would try another type of ammo - or some White Box with a different lot number.

adk · 11-30-2005, 09:30 AM

Thanks, Shane.

I've never changed the recoil spring after all these years and thousands of rounds. Nor have I ever changed the magazine springs. In fact, the gun is still completely stock, except for a flat steel mainspring housing I had installed. (I will clean that chamber and try some different ammo.)

Some questions --
-- Should I change the magazine springs too?
-- Where should I get the recoil spring? (And mag springs?)
-- Do you go through guns like this one to find the parts that
should be replaced, and do the work? Not a custom job. Just
a tuneup, I guess.

Thanks again. adk

JCM298 · 11-30-2005, 10:39 AM

I've replaced the springs on both my Para magazines and the recoil spring on the C6.45, which I bought used. The Carry 12 only has about 1,100 rounds through it, so I don't think it needs it yet.

You can get your springs here:

http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/ParaOrdnanceNF.html

Brownell's also carries Para springs.

I ordered from Wolff's on a Monday and they were delivered on Wednesday. When I called, I just had to mention the gun and the lady knew the part numbers by heart. The same thing happened when I ordered for my Sigs. I like both Brownell's and Wolff, but I buy springs from Wolff whenever I need them,

John

stansdds · 12-01-2005, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adk

The only trouble I've ever had with my 1994 all-steel P14.45 is lately a failure to extract with Winchester White Box ball. This never happened in years past.

Also, something else new is happening at the same time: the fired cases come out all sooty. All of them, not just the FTE's....

I'll polish the chamber and see how it goes. Would much appreciate any advice. Thanks. adk

Does it fail to extract with any other ammo? If not, then it is a problem with the ammo. Have you installed a heavy recoil spring? If memory serves me correctly, the P14 is a 5 inch barrel and would need a 16 pound recoil spring for proper functioning.

adk · 12-01-2005, 08:24 AM

Thank you all. I'll get the springs and try some different ammo. I'd like to have this P14 running 100%, as I really like the gun. adk

jrguar · 01-26-2006, 12:07 PM

Clean your gun first, then maybe get a gunsmith to check your extractor...could be you need a little more tension on it. I have a couple of P14's My old one has over 100,000 rounds thru it and while it looks a little ugly it keeps on running...

Another place for great info on your 1911 is Brian Eno's Forums.

Good Luck,

Joe

bountyhunter · 01-27-2006, 02:53 PM

1911 extractors "take a set" over time and gradually lose extractor tension. Measure the tension and make sure it's in the range of 15 - 20 ounces. Inspect the tip and hook for a sharp, square edge or the tip will "slip" the rim.

The stock Para extractor is cast metal. If that is what you have, dump it and get a good one. They don't cost that much and good extractors made from spring steel hold tension much better than cast ones.

11-30-2005, 08:50 AM	#1
adk Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 95	P-14 fails to extract The only trouble I've ever had with my 1994 all-steel P14.45 is lately a failure to extract with Winchester White Box ball. This never happened in years past. Also, something else new is happening at the same time: the fired cases come out all sooty. All of them, not just the FTE's. I thought this may have something to do with the extraction problem -- as if the ammo is too low-pressure to seal the case against the chamber wall, letting all the soot blow back along the case and fouling the chamber, messing up extraction? I think I've heard this can happen. I'll polish the chamber and see how it goes. Would much appreciate any advice. Thanks. adk

01-26-2006, 12:07 PM	#7
jrguar Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1	P-14 Not Extracting Clean your gun first, then maybe get a gunsmith to check your extractor...could be you need a little more tension on it. I have a couple of P14's My old one has over 100,000 rounds thru it and while it looks a little ugly it keeps on running... Another place for great info on your 1911 is Brian Eno's Forums. Good Luck, Joe

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11-30-2005, 09:00 AM	#2
Shane1911 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 1,610	I would simply clean the chamber, before considering any polishing. Suggest you also try a new recoil spring. There is a chance that your pistol is unlocking early due to a very worn (or broken) recoil spring. That could contribute to a lot of powder residue as well. Or, you may simply have got a box of bad ammo. It does happen. I would try another type of ammo - or some White Box with a different lot number.

11-30-2005, 09:30 AM	#3
adk Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 95	Thanks, Shane. I've never changed the recoil spring after all these years and thousands of rounds. Nor have I ever changed the magazine springs. In fact, the gun is still completely stock, except for a flat steel mainspring housing I had installed. (I will clean that chamber and try some different ammo.) Some questions -- -- Should I change the magazine springs too? -- Where should I get the recoil spring? (And mag springs?) -- Do you go through guns like this one to find the parts that should be replaced, and do the work? Not a custom job. Just a tuneup, I guess. Thanks again. adk

11-30-2005, 10:39 AM	#4
JCM298 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 382	I've replaced the springs on both my Para magazines and the recoil spring on the C6.45, which I bought used. The Carry 12 only has about 1,100 rounds through it, so I don't think it needs it yet. You can get your springs here: http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/ParaOrdnanceNF.html Brownell's also carries Para springs. I ordered from Wolff's on a Monday and they were delivered on Wednesday. When I called, I just had to mention the gun and the lady knew the part numbers by heart. The same thing happened when I ordered for my Sigs. I like both Brownell's and Wolff, but I buy springs from Wolff whenever I need them, John

12-01-2005, 08:24 AM	#6
adk Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 95	Thank you all. I'll get the springs and try some different ammo. I'd like to have this P14 running 100%, as I really like the gun. adk

01-27-2006, 02:53 PM	#8
bountyhunter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 645	1911 extractors "take a set" over time and gradually lose extractor tension. Measure the tension and make sure it's in the range of 15 - 20 ounces. Inspect the tip and hook for a sharp, square edge or the tip will "slip" the rim. The stock Para extractor is cast metal. If that is what you have, dump it and get a good one. They don't cost that much and good extractors made from spring steel hold tension much better than cast ones.