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Old 02-29-2004, 08:09 PM   #1
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Damascus Slides

Other than Caspian...does anyone know of a manufacturer than mills Damascus Steel Slides? Caspians are beautiful but at $575.00 a copy they are a little pricey...
 
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Old 02-29-2004, 08:25 PM   #2
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I am unaware of anyone else doing it. And I would agree with nothing to gain structurally that I know of it is quite a price for an interesting look. But interesting it is.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 07:44 AM   #3
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Beautiful Steel isnt it...figured I would go with a Carbon lower parkerized and Polish the Slide to a matt finish kind of a Duo tone effect...
 
Old 03-02-2004, 04:56 AM   #4
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they are pricy, and they curently are a 7+ month wait. last i heard im within 1-2 wks of getting mine, i hope. 8)
 
Old 03-03-2004, 04:53 PM   #5
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They sure are keen looking on a well-built pistol, but I'll be
damned if I can figure why I need one(though I'm sure I do..)
 
Old 07-13-2004, 08:21 PM   #6
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delaminating?

I've read that old English shotguns done in Damascus steel can "delaminate" and come apart. Can this happen to 1911 slides as well?
 
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After several hundred years Japanese blades may delaminate

The common saying is that after several hundred years the user may feel entitled to show a little age himself.

For no particular reason I do trust the Caspian to last my lifetime at least regardless of loads. I don't shoot smokeless in Damascus shotgun barrels though -
 
Old 07-14-2004, 07:50 PM   #8
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Many, many dusty, gravelroad miles difference between Japanese blades, damascus gun barrels and Caspian slides. I don't know how Caspian slides are fused together, I do know how to forge weld gun barrels, how they were done years back, and how Japanese blades were made.

I once told Gary Smith, the slides shouldn't be called damascus. Ones I've examined personally are layers of 2 different steels, fused together, not folded. One weld. I've done something similar by explosive weldin'. Could be done in a rollin' mill.

I wouldn't use one unless I had it exrayed by a hand qualified in pipeline and boiler tube weldment xray.

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Old 07-20-2004, 08:43 PM   #10
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mr caldwell, id like to further pick your brain on the subject of these damascus slides. holding my damascus slide in my hand after many months of waiting i can see that they definately are not produced like normal damascus, they appear to be rolled instead of folded end over end. now the question of strength, i intend to use mine with max power 10mm loads for hunting, and wonder if you or any other smith that has used these would have any reservations about putting alot of hot rounds through one of these slides? im also pretty certain that the majority of these damascus slides end up as show pieces and arent given alot of hard use, but i havent heard of one delaminating yet- maybe someone else has heard of this happening?

also since im on the subject of hot 10mm's. if caspian ever gets off their butt and makes my frame, is it adviseable to mill out the section above the slidestop notch like the colt delta's, or is this something not worth worrying about?
 
Old 07-21-2004, 10:20 AM   #11
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Skip the Mr- Wild Bill, Bill, Billy, Sweet William, Mr. would have fit Daddy and Granpa better.

Like I said before, I'm not sure how these slides are fused together. There are many methods of fusion weldin'.

Would I use the slide in a 10 mm?. . . I agree, most buy these for show but. . . it's like payin' Dick Sweat 25 grand for a dirt track engine. The car ain't gonna set on the trailer or stay in the pits. It's gonna hit the track and run w. o. from the green to the checkered. If I paid 500 or more for a slide, it had better do the same. One question is, did you get the 10mm slide? I'd build a 10 mm with this slide. But. . . I'd knock the slide stop pin out after every range session, pull the slide, look it over with a good strong glass. Believe it's a good gamble, it won't split out all at once, you should see it start. Don't remember the name, but there's stuff that comes in a spray can, a penetrant that will show cracks in metal, it's cheap. If you check my posts on View from trhe Hills, see what Gunnar Christensen writes, we. . and there are others, hotrod the 1911. The limits are primers, falling out or tyin' up the firin' pin and how much recoil you can handle.

Again, I wouldn't cut the frame to start with, I'd keep a close watch on it. If it starts to crack, then cut the piece out. . .or tig it.

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Old 07-21-2004, 08:11 PM   #12
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thank you bill, i greatly appreciate your input. yes i have the 10mm slide- the frame is another matter though. when i get done building it, i will keep a close eye on it.
also being a drag racer myself, i appreciate your engine analogies.
i know what your talking about with the spray, sorta a poor mans magnaflux in a can.
 
Old 07-22-2004, 03:59 AM   #13
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Wild Bill, if the Caspian Damascus had anywhere near the same character or figure as the blade that hangs on the wall in your shop, I'd would definitely want a pistol built from one. I don't think Caspian would ever sell anything of poor quality, but the slides don't have the same appeal to me as Damascus blades do due to their wider figure (lack of a better term for having less folds).

How many different types of steel typically go into making a good piece of Damascus? How many folds are required to get any benefit from using Damascus in a blade? Should the same apply to a .45 slide? Is there any functional benefit to using Damascus in a pistol slide, or is it purely cosmetic? Are these slides folded/welded the same way that Bladesmiths fold/weld/fuse Damascus?

Sorry, these are all questions I didn't think to ask when I was at the shop.

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Old 07-25-2004, 02:01 PM   #14
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Will try to cover more in depth when time permits over on View from the Hills.

Don't think the Damascus we build for knives would work for slides. Pieces you saw were 11 different steels. . . 9 are .95% carbon or higher, some are 1.25%. . . 2 are .80%. First problem would be heat treat. Heat treatin' after machinin'. . . would be some warpage. . .easy to straighten a knife blade, hard to impossible, straighten a slide. Machinin' after heat treatin'. . . no matter what stress relievin', anealin', or temperin', there would be poskets of 55-60 R.C. . . . be real tough and expensive to machine.

For a slide I would suggest combinin' the 10 series (1035, 1040), Magnese (13xx series) Nickel alloy (25xx series) Chrome Moly Nickel (43 xx series) possibly 1/8" strips, 2"x2"x6", fold 2-3 times, twist, a couple more folds, tight twist, final weldin' heat. Stress relieve, anneal, heat treat to rockwell 35-38, then machine. Several hands out there makin' damascus for knife makers could do this. Mike Norris would be one. I'd take a guess, billet big enough for a slide would cost app. $150, machinin' shouldn't run over $75- 90. Caspian ain't hurtin theirselves gettin' over $500 for their slides. Howdy, Gary Smith, we still friends!!

I don't think there's any functional benefits and could certainly be detrimental if not welded perfect- When you can buy 4 barstocks slides for what a damascus slide costs. . .?

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