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Old 12-24-2001, 05:34 PM   #1
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Does anyone know anything about Jim Hoag as a pistolsmith.

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Old 12-24-2001, 06:03 PM   #2
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Jim is considered a master smith by anyone knowledgable. He has a short wait list last I heard and is a pleasure to talk to on the phone. One of my goals is owning one of his 5" guns.

If I am not mistaken he is the eldest recognised master smith still working.
 
Old 12-24-2001, 07:47 PM   #3
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there is a full house 70 series that can be found easily. I almost bought it but its baer coated, and i hate painted pistols :grin:
 
Old 12-24-2001, 10:56 PM   #4
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can some one e mail me his number please. thank you
 
Old 12-24-2001, 11:12 PM   #5
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Ya Matt, saw the gun with Novak's on it but it looked like a Novak, and while nothing iswrong with that, I want a "Hoag" that looks like a Hoag and I suspect that will take me sending him a gun, which I fully intend to do in the new year :grin:

No idea why I kept putting it off.
 
Old 12-25-2001, 03:01 AM   #6
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Jim runs a one-man shop in Canoga Park (San Fernando Valley), CA. I remember him and his work as far back as the late 60s. A true master and an icon in the industry.
 
Old 12-25-2001, 04:43 AM   #7
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Hello. Recognized one of his "longslides" in "Thief" with James Caan.

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Old 12-25-2001, 08:45 AM   #8
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Wow...you must have a good eye to tell the difference, as fast as that show moved!!!
I always liked that one. So, did Mr Hoag do ALL the pistols or just the longslide? I remember lots of pyrotechnics and shootin'...Musta' been fun to make! I guess the longslides from Mr Hoag and Jim Clark were during the same time period...no? Do you know anything more about Mr Hoags current pistols? I'm sure they are no less wonderful than his earlier guns...just curious to know if there are some things he's dropped and added through the years...One of that mans' pistols would be keepin' a piece of history. I'd love to see an older and current side-by-side!

Thanks for the Info!
 
Old 12-25-2001, 11:44 AM   #9
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Click here for Thief sound bite (contains profanity)

One of my favorite James Caan or Michael Mann movies. Great flick. This was circa 1981 and was considered groundbreaking filmmaking by most critics. Definitely worth renting. They did give Jim Hoag a screen credit at the end of the movie. He built several guns for the movie. I always wanted one of those longslides.

Humm... I do know a certain noted midwestern smith who has an original Hoag Thief longslide in his safe. Maybe one of these days he will post a pic for us?? :smile: :smile:


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Old 12-25-2001, 05:05 PM   #10
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Somehow it doesn't seem "profane" when Jimmy says it...just honest...

You're right about that movie...it was very different for those times!

Another from that time that I'll always remember was called "Sorceror"...Not as much gunplay...but fairly...intense. Probably the best on-screen "fit" by Roy Scheider...as he finds the giant tree across the "road" in the jungle....eerie scene as the lights make crazy arcs and dips through the night and fog as well...Those Hoag pistols wouln't have fit that environment though! Too classy...

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Old 12-26-2001, 08:27 AM   #11
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I purchased a Jim Hoag 70 series Colt last month from Mr. Yoast at the Houston gun show. I believe it is the Bearcoated model that was on Gunsamerica.com. It does have the Novak rear sight and AO front sight (don't like this much). The pistol is sweet! The slide to frame fit is tight but feels like glass when working the action. I don't know a lot about custom guns but I would recommend one of Mr. Hoag's. Nelson
 
Old 12-26-2001, 09:12 AM   #12
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On 2001-12-25 18:05, gyp_c2 wrote:
Another from that time that I'll always remember was called "Sorceror"...Not as much gunplay...but fairly...intense.
"Sorcerer" is one of my all time favorites. Director Friedkin captured the banana-republic squalor and the hopelessness of the expatriots' lives superbly. The Tangerine Dream soundtrack added greatly to the film (as it also did to "Thief"). "Sorcerer" is one of the rare remakes that outshines the original ("The Wages of Fear", French, from the late 1950's).

At the same time that "Sorcerer" had its short run at the theaters, there was another great movie out...the British gangster film "The Long Good Friday". It was the first thing I ever saw Bob Hoskins in and, I think, the finest performance he has ever given.

"Thief" is, of course, a great film. Most of Michael Mann's films are. He isn't more widely acclaimed because he makes movies for men, not women and womanly critics. Sam Peckinpah and John Milius are also not as highly regarded as they deserve, for the same reason.

As to Caan's gunhandling in "Thief"; the story goes that Mann and Caan showed up at Gunsite to receive some pointers on style. After being made aware of the premise of the film, Cooper declined to help them...his viewpoint being that the movie's protagonist, being a felon, would not have had any exposure to the modern technique of the pistol. Chuck Taylor, who was Cooper's operations officer at that time, took Mann and Caan off the property and gave them the instruction they sought.

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Old 12-26-2001, 09:36 AM   #13
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Hah!
Great tale Roscoe!
Cool flicks are fallin' away...same deal, they come, get dumped on and don't make the big dollars and only the "fans" keep 'em alive...

Yup that crowd of guys, as far as I'm concerned, never made a bad movie...Milius is just nuts...Gotta' love his stuff...

I guess what we need to do is get the gun guys that we like, in on one last shoot-em-up! With Hoags' and as many other of the well-know smiths products as we can get in there!!!
Just one good-times, hard times, slam bang shoot up the place, GUN movie!!!

At least a Mini-Series!
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Old 12-26-2001, 10:30 AM   #14
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As to Caan's gunhandling in "Thief"; the story goes that Mann and Caan showed up at Gunsite to receive some pointers on style. After being made aware of the premise of the film, Cooper declined to help them...his viewpoint being that the movie's protagonist, being a felon, would not have had any exposure to the modern technique of the pistol. Chuck Taylor, who was Cooper's operations officer at that time, took Mann and Caan off the property and gave them the instruction they sought.
Great piece of verbal history, thanks Rosco :grin:
 
Old 12-26-2001, 03:45 PM   #15
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Used to see John Milius with regularity at the winter Sahara Gun Show in Las Vegas.

One year I commented that he had put on a few pounds since our last meeting. "Dave," he bellowed, "I've decided that God intended me to be fat, and I wouldn't want to offend the Supreme Being!"

It's a better excuse than I've ever been able to come up with. :smile:
 
Old 12-27-2001, 12:32 AM   #16
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As to Caan's gunhandling in "Thief"; the story goes that Mann and Caan showed up at Gunsite to receive some pointers on style. After being made aware of the premise of the film, Cooper declined to help them...his viewpoint being that the movie's protagonist, being a felon, would not have had any exposure to the modern technique of the pistol. Chuck Taylor, who was Cooper's operations officer at that time, took Mann and Caan off the property and gave them the instruction they sought.

Rosco
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Chuck can also be given credit for writing the last 10 minutes of THEIF.
He also wrote nearly the entire script of UNCOMMON VALOR.

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Old 12-27-2001, 02:11 AM   #17
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Jim Hoag can still be found plying his trade in his really nice, spacious shop in Canoga Park, CA. A true gentleman and master craftsman, his is the only surviving custom 1911 Colt in my collection.

I was referred to Jim by none other than Armand Swenson. Armand had done a basic Ltwt. Commander for me in 1983. I wanted some checkering done too, but he wasn't feeling well and complained about his eyesight. He sent me up the road to Jim for the checkering job to complete the pistol. (That was Armand - always looking out for his "lads in the field" and wanting the best for them.)

I wound up sending Jim a '70-Series Colt GM. It came back with a set of S&W K-frame sights inset into the slide, his beavertail grip safety (and modified hammer to fit), trigger job, 30lpi checkering, barrel built up and fitted to the slide, slide fitted to the frame, a match trigger job, and a match bushing.

Many years, miles, and Ks of rounds later, I sent the pistol back to Jim. I wanted to have a Brown grip safety and a Commander-style hammer fitted so as to make all my 1911s feel the same. Jim sent me back a completely rebuilt and refinished pistol.

I happened to be in LA on business two years ago and took him a Kimber Compact for some cosmetic work (checkering, ambi safety, Novaks, carry bevel package, etc.) The returned pistol was a work of art.
His checkering has to be seen to be believed. If anything, he has gotten better over the years.
 
Old 12-30-2001, 05:45 AM   #18
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I live within driving distance of Mr. Hoag's shop. I had him do two guns for me over the last year. He did some reliability work and trigger jobs on both a Browning Hi-Power .40 and a Kimber Classic Custom .45. Both are flawlessly reliable. The factory trigger on the Hi-Power was unbearable out of the box but Hoag got it down to about 5 lbs crisp and about as good as I can get and still be within department policy. He also welded up and shaped an extended beavertail looking tang that looks like it came from the factory. His shop is full of old photos from his days in the old Southwest pistol league when he shot with Cooper, Weaver, and the rest in Big Bear California. He has some interesting stories too. He still does longslide conversions and the last time I was in, he showed me about a 7 inch longslide Browning Hi-Power conversion that he was working on. I couldn't figure out what it was for, I just knew it was cool. He can be reached at (818)998-1510 8523 Canoga Ave. Canoga Park, CA 91304.
 
Old 12-30-2001, 03:15 PM   #19
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How is the BHP ?? I have a MK III BHP that I would like some work done on. I :::used:: to live a half mile from his shop in the '80's, and stopped by several times. TIA

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I live within driving distance of Mr. Hoag's shop. I had him do two guns for me over the last year. He did some reliability work and trigger jobs on both a Browning Hi-Power .40 and a Kimber Classic Custom .45. Both are flawlessly reliable. The factory trigger on the Hi-Power was unbearable out of the box but Hoag got it down to about 5 lbs crisp and about as good as I can get and still be within department policy. He also welded up and shaped an extended beavertail looking tang that looks like it came from the factory. His shop is full of old photos from his days in the old Southwest pistol league when he shot with Cooper, Weaver, and the rest in Big Bear California. He has some interesting stories too. He still does longslide conversions and the last time I was in, he showed me about a 7 inch longslide Browning Hi-Power conversion that he was working on. I couldn't figure out what it was for, I just knew it was cool. He can be reached at (818)998-1510 8523 Canoga Ave. Canoga Park, CA 91304.
 
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