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Old 07-10-2002, 04:19 PM   #1
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Heinie magwell...any experience?

I am having a Caspian based 10mm 1911 built for carry and am interested in the Heinie magwell- the one where the frame is cut to fit it.

Any of you have any experience with this magwell one way or the other?

Thanks!

Brent
 
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Old 07-10-2002, 05:53 PM   #2
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I've always preferred the Ed Brown style. Similar in application, but the Heinie type has a plate that must be fit under the grip panels, below the bottom stock bushing. It makes the grip panel more difficult to fit, especially if a thin grip panel is used. The extra plate is no doubt there as an overkill measure, which might be a good idea, but it definitely makes the install more difficult.
 
Old 07-10-2002, 06:04 PM   #3
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Never a big fan of bolting on anything, as Heinie does his. I use (when I can't talk them out of it) a Brown or similar style add on after cutting the frame. Then I TIG the entire joint. No much on silver solder or spot welds either. Then I put them on the mill and cut it back down to a managable size for a carry gun.
 
Old 07-11-2002, 04:21 AM   #4
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Heinie mag well

I have a Heinie mag well on a Heinie-built Kimber Classic Custom. I like it better than other mag wells because it adds no extra length, is as solid as a weld-on unit and provides an esthetically pleasing appearance. I really like the way the stocks look with the unit installed. It is apparent that it takes some machining skills to install and it blends perfectly with the mainspring housing. It definately enhances a speed reload.

Each to their own, I guess.

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Old 07-11-2002, 06:40 AM   #5
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"is as solid as a weld-on unit....is apparent that it takes some machining skills to install.."

Never realised a bolt on unit was as strong or as solid as a welded on unit, having built both styles. The machining skills to chop the end of a frame and then drill and tap for a couple of set screws and the grip panel relief are marginal at best. But then it is faster than chopping the frame, welding and the obligatory clean up.

The magwell is a useful addition, how it is best installed is an on going debate.
 
Old 07-11-2002, 10:35 AM   #6
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I actually get confused on the reason for the debate.

Why do you even need the add on magwell, unless we are talking about a "gamers" gun that won't be carried?

The mag changes (in time) for an experienced shooter with or without the magwell are virtually identical. For a pistol that is actually carried, the butt of the pistol is the hardest to conceal. By adding a magwell whether it is an extension to the length or on a cut and welded frame, it becomes more difficult to conceal.

My personal preference has always been to avoid an extra magwell, as no measurable benefit is gained and it just becomes another piece to break.

I actually have a pistol with the add-on Wilson well that can be removed. Most people (with a little practice) that I have let try the difference (with and without) can't see any quantifiable improvement in mag changes.
 
Old 07-11-2002, 04:14 PM   #7
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Thanks for the input everyone.

Ray:

You are obviously at a much higher level of skill than I am- I have a solid B USPSA Limited and Revolver rating and multiple Experts in IDPA- and at this level I find the only way I can begin to keep up with my SV times with a single stack on my reloads is with a magwell.

It must be a Michigan problem- the A and Master guys in my weekend squads have found the same thing to be true. What is your shot to shot reload time with a non-magwelled single stack?

Brent
 
Old 07-11-2002, 05:43 PM   #8
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One of the nicer mag well installations is done by C.T. Brian. He welds on an Ed Brown mag well then trims most of it off so it is covered by the grips.
http://www.ctbrian.com/superwell.html
 
Old 07-12-2002, 05:40 AM   #9
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Brent,

For competition, as I stated, I can see a use. Since I normally don't run a timer to check my shooting, I can only comment on a couple of drills that I remember. (7 yards - paper plate target - draw from holster / concealed - 6 shots to slide lock, reload, 6 more shots - 5.2 seconds all hits in the plate).

Relative to a carry weapon, I still just can't see the point. Just my personal opinion.

Best of luck,

Ray
 
Old 07-12-2002, 11:36 AM   #10
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Magwells

Jeff Cooper says you should carry an extra mag so you can carry a loaded gun on the way home from a gunfight. I carry 99% of the time but don't carry a spare mag. I will leave the empty gun on the perps chest and have my hands high in the air when the cops arrive. They will confiscate the gun and I will have a hard time getting it back. Mag wells are for the "Gamers" as said before. I bevel the sharp edges on my mag entry point and they work just fine for playing and for practice. I agree that there is no difference in the time it takes for a skilled gunfighter to reload without one or a 5 thumbed clutz with one. I have stuffed a mag in a 1911 1000's of times and I can do it in my sleep or upside down. I love the myth that a $3500.00 gun will eliminate the need for practice. I never told my clients that would work. Watch out for the guy with the old GI 1911 that spent $1000.00 on primers last year! He will kick your Butt! I don't care for either the Ed Brown or the Heinie because you can do the same thing with a $10.00 part from King's Gun Works so why bother? maybe because smiths make money doing these things for people who want to fix things that are just fine as they are.
 
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