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Old 11-16-2006, 11:55 AM   #1
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Sorting Out 9 mm Ammo

I have recently been investigating some of the bargain pistols currently available from Eastern Europe. I've learned that there are a hell of a lot more 9 mm cartridges out there other than the 9 mm luger.

Can some of you folks help me fill out the menu.

As I understand it-------

9 mm Short or Kurtz is the .380

9 X 18 mm is the 9 mm cartridge used in most of the Markarov's and others

9 Luger.... (also called 9 mm NATO) Which I believe is 9 X 19 currently dominates the U. S. market

9 mm Largo---- I have no idea what that is

9 X 23----A hot rod 9 I believe

Before I add a number of these bargain "plinkers" to my collection I just want to have the ammo. figured out. It's my understanding that none of these cartridges are interchangeable.

Have I missed any????? Are they all available cartridges????

Feedback would be appreciated.
 
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:33 PM   #2
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9 mm Short or Kurtz is the .380
*Correct.

9 X 18 mm is the 9 mm cartridge used in most of the Markarov's and others
*Usually. The Makarov round is really a 9.2x18 shooting a .364" bullet instead of the usual 9mm .355". (There is another 9x18, the 9x18 Police which is a true 9mm made for the 1970s Walther PP Ultra. Not common enough to worry about.)

9 Luger.... (also called 9 mm NATO) Which I believe is 9 X 19 currently dominates the U. S. market.
*Yup, also 9mm Parabellum.

9 mm Largo---- I have no idea what that is
*Was originally the 9mm Bergman Bayard, got known as the Largo when adopted by Spain. it is a 23 mm case but must NOT be confused with the very hot 9x23 Winchester. There is also the somewhat similar 9mm Steyr. Some of these guns will chamber .38 Super but that is really a hot load for them and the less powerful .38 ACP is not readily available.

*You might hear of a 9x21 which was brought out for commercial sale in Italy where military calibers like 9x19 are banned to the public.

9 X 23----A hot rod 9 I believe
*Yes, a low popularity high velocity cartridge developed by CP Elite and commercialized by Winchester and Colt. Not common. Do NOT shoot in 9mm Largo or 9mm Steyr pistols. Even though it will chamber, it is about twice the pressure the old guns are made for.


Other than the .380, Luger and Makarov, ammunition supply for the other 9mms is spotty.
 
Old 11-16-2006, 05:28 PM   #3
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There is the 9xJLE (just long enough) when 9x19 was outlawed for major this one was brought out...think it is 9x21

the 9x25

and probably a few more I have forgotten...
 
Old 11-16-2006, 08:54 PM   #4
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Just to add...
A .356 TSW turns up for sale every now and then. It is a 9x21.5 or thereabouts. The longest the S&W action would handle.

And the 9mm Federal... but that is a revolver cartridge for a Charter Arms snubby.
 
Old 11-17-2006, 03:43 AM   #5
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Thanks guys.

So far I have a couple Star pistols (a BM and a Super B) which both use 9 mm Luger and a Markarov from Bulgaria which shoots the 9 X 18.

I just didn't want to buy any more "bargains" only to find out the ammo was impossible to locate at reasonable prices.
 
Old 12-24-2006, 04:20 PM   #6
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hey then you get to the oddball bottle necks like .357 Sig. Best bet on bargin is 9mm Luger and "Kurtz ala 380 the others your "Bargain" gun will quickly get eaten up in ammo cost. also nowadays many .38 supers are barreled for .355 bullets. The 9X23 was developed to get the case capacity of .38 super with the advantages of the 9mm Luger case. The 9X23 has the tapered case and case sized rim of the 9mm luger, and the length of the Super.
 
Old 12-24-2006, 04:34 PM   #7
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9x18 mak ammo is pretty available"
also not mentioned yet
9mm Browning Long.. a shortened 38ACP
9mm Gilisenti similar to the Luger and old Italian round
9mm Baynard long similar to 38acp
9mm Mauser used in Broomhandles and a few submachine guns one of the hotter 9mm's about a 9X25
9mm winchester magnum which is basically an updated 9mm Mauser
thats all I could find
 
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