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Old 10-05-2001, 01:31 AM   #1
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Greetings:

I just joined this forum. I'm also a new reloader. I've loaded rounds for my
30-30 (all went bang) and I'm getting ready to load some 45 acp.

My boss gave me 500 lead round nose, flat point bullets. We reloaded some ball
ammo together, using Bullseye. It shot ok, but was filthy dirty. Can someone recommend
a clean load for practice shooting? I'm thinking I should use either Clays or w231.

It would be nice if it was close to 'major', but not really necessary.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Old 10-05-2001, 06:13 AM   #2
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D & J used to make a 250 gr. round nose flat point. If they are indeed 250's, I would start with about 3.0 grs of Clays. Clays is very clean burning, meters fairly well, and normally cheaper, as you use less powder compared to some of the others. First thing you need to do is to weigh those bullets......I believe that some other makers also market a 225 that is a round nose flat point. Does this help?

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Old 10-05-2001, 08:13 AM   #3
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Lately I've been loading some lead 200 grain RNFPs as a practice round. I believe that this bullet was originally made for the cowboy action shooters, as it has a crimping groove for use in .45 Colt. I'm loading 5.2 gr of WW231 for about 750 FPS. For IDPA, I'll go up to 5.6-5.7 grs for 850 FPS out of a 5" Kimber barrel. If this is the same bullet that you are using, just be sure to seat it so that the end of the case is just below the crimping groove. This is to ensure that the taper crimp has some lead to bite into. If the bullet is seated so deep that the case mouth is at the groove, the bullet might get pushed down into the case during feeding, causing pressure problems.
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Old 10-05-2001, 10:58 AM   #4
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Thanks guys.

The bullet is definitely 200gr. The label says:

D & J Bullet Co.
200gr LRNFP

There is a red groove just below the 'round' part of the nose. Is that the
crimping groove? If I load them to a proper OAL (1.25, right?) will I have any
trouble?

I like the suggestion of 231 powder. Unless someone suggests otherwise, Bill's
load is where I'm going to start.

Sorry for so many questions, but I'm a new reloader and a bit nervous/cautious.

thanks again for the advice.
 
Old 10-05-2001, 11:06 AM   #5
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I have been loading Winchester WST which is extremely clean shooting. I load 4.0 grains behind a lead 200 gr. Semi wadcutter bullet (bull X)for a moderate load. I believe the various manuals go up to 5.1 grains as a maximum charge for this weight bullet. I assume that your bullets weigh more than 200 grains (because of the round nose form)so the maximum charge you could use would be LESS than that for a 200 grain bullet - just check the loading manuals for your particular weight bullet. Winchester actually has a "give away" pamphlet with loading data for its powders that you can probably find at any gun store that carries a significant amount of reloading supplies. Again, I recommend this powder because it is probably the cleanest shooting powder I have ever used.
 
Old 10-05-2001, 03:14 PM   #6
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...weigh them anyway. Never take ANYTHING for granted while reloading.
You're on the right track otherwise. The red may be lube. Just set them up to be close to the 1.250 OAL...Take care with starting loads.All guns are different. A starting load in someones' pistol may be more or less than yours...Welcome to the forum!
 
Old 10-06-2001, 07:06 PM   #7
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The groove you describe is the crimping groove. Seat the bullets so that the case mouth is just below the groove. Glad that the data is of use to you. 5.2 of WW231 is a very soft shooting load.
Bill Go
 
Old 10-06-2001, 07:08 PM   #8
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Cast bullets will be dirtier than jacketed, regardless of powder. A very clean combination is Universal Clays, and any good jacketed bullet.
 
Old 10-06-2001, 07:10 PM   #9
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Correction to my last. Just re-read your post. The crimping groove should be clear (no lube in it). The crimping groove is the thin shallow groove nearest the pointy end of the bullet. The only other groove is the grease groove, which is considerably wider and should be packed with wax lube (usually red or blue).
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Old 10-07-2001, 02:16 AM   #10
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i use a 200gr swc bullet and 5.5grns of 231, it seems to be a DIRTY combination. 300 rounds and your ready for a bath, the barrel usually isnt that dirty but feed ramp and inside of gun is awfully sooty and black and grimy. but it shoots good.
 
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