Henry Thiels

How often should a P220 .45acp be taken completely down and cleaned?
This would involve drifting out the roll pins that hold in the firing pin block assembly.
I field strip and clean after every trip to the range, it's a complete strip down I don't know about...
Thanks for the help!

Ken Hebert

I've never done that to mine, and I've had it for about 11 years now. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Henry Thiels

I have done mine once completely.. I got some new roll pins and did it....it had never been done on it before and it was dirty BIG time! I have some new roll pins for my next time, but I was just wondering if there was a maintenance schedule. Whenever I shoot it, I never really shoot many rounds. I am thinking about shooting it at our next club match, so after 100 rounds or so,...it should be good and dirty.... I have some 10 round mags for it, so Limited-10 will be the game I'll play. It's really accurate but that first shot trigger pull is TERRIBLE!

Ken Hebert

You need to try the trigger on my 229 I carry.

Henry Thiels

Yes, definetly...I want to do something about the trigger for sure...remind me about this at the match on the 3rd Sunday....
Oh,...remind Rey about the 3rd Sunday match, he was unaware of it....
Thanks!

Bill Caldwell

YOUR FIRST MISTAKE WAS BUYIN' A PISTOL HELD TOGETHER WITH ROOOL PINS.......I know You two hands know pistols....You are good shooters.....ROLL Pins, WTH?
I'll bet I can do a trigger job on a 1911 before You can get the parts out, clean them, and get it shootin' again.
AND, EVERY TIME YOU PUNCH THE PINS OUT AND BACK IN YOU ARE WOLLERIN' THE HOLES IN THE FRAME AND PARTS.
AND YOU NEED ROLL PIN PUNCHES..... THE RIGHT SIZE.
What the HELL were You two Hands thinkin' When You bought those pistols.?????

Bill Caldwell

Henry Thiels

Think about it Bill,.......it's another German gun,......Glock....Sig Sauer....kind a sounds the same if you squint your eyes....right?
One day I'll own another 1911......one day......
Until then, Team Plastic Fantastic rides!

Ken Hebert

What was I thinking? Oh, I dunno. Maybe an ultra reliable handgun that's slightly smaller than a commander, has 12+1 capacity in .40, DA/SA operation, and best of all it works like a charm.

Hmmmm. Beats me.

Bill Caldwell

Ken,
That is a good answer to a not so good question....May be, I should have ask.....What can a Sig do and do as well as a quality 1911 or 2011 or Hi Cap, full size, or Commander size? I'm pushin' up against 66 years old....makein' me have walked this earth over 65 years....More that likely over 50 of those years havein' a 1911 of some sort close at hand, so far, from a hundred yards in, I haven't come across any thing a good hand couldn't handle with a 1911. I'm not sayin' in those years if I had time to pray, I wouldn't have prayed for a different weapon..........I've built 1911s in .17, .224 .250,.270,.308, 9mm, 38, .40, 10mm, 41, 44, 45.....flat out power, a 40 Super is hard to beat....45 Super is Bad. I don't think any other pistol will stand up to the HOTRODDIN' a 1911 will.........ROOLL PINS??? My God......WHAT NEXT????? PHILLIP HEAD SCREEWWS????

And havein' said all that......Henry, Jude, You,TommyGlunkster......When the Feces Hits The Oscillator.....YAW"L will do okay with what ever You are carryin'......Me ,Duckman,.....Others carryin' 1911s will walk up front pointin' the SANDIES out....WE'll only come to the rescue when a ROOLLpin falls out, A PHILLIP Head screw backs out, The Plastic melts or breaks.........ROOLL Pins.......LOCTITE is runnin' extra shifts because of roll pins in pistols.

Bill Caldwell

Ken Hebert

Well, if you'd hurry up and build up my Caspian I've been asking you for we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If you need to talk to me for $$$ p.m. me.

Ken Hebert

BTW, I do also carry a Wilson CQB .45 in addition to the SIG. So don't give up on me just yet, OK?

squinty

I don't know, Bill, I own 1911s and Sig 220s, and I sort of prefer a double action first pull vs. a manual safety when drawing quick from concealment. YM clearly V, but I find it much easier to just pull the trigger then to click off a safety and then shoot, if I have to do it fast. I also don't really share your distaste for roll pins or phillips head screws....hex screws, on the other hand, are clearly tools of the devil and I won't tolerate them anywhere on my gun.

Ken Hebert

See, that's why there are sooooo many types of blasters out there. Where-as you prefer the DA trigger and feel you are better off with it, I'm the other way around. I prefer to carry cocked and locked, but at the same time I don't mind carrying a DA/SA SIG. Faster for me? Single action, hands down and Wild Bill and Henry will vouch for me there. We all shoot USPSA together and my blasters are all SA. Much trigger time and I'm completely at home and very comfortable with that type of action.

Now if Bill would just get me my Caspian... Hint, hint! And fix my CZ. And lighten the slide on my back-up STI. And...

buddy_fuentes

Hmm, I'm just dumb enough to step right square in the middle of this fight; guess I'll get hit from all directions.

Working as an undercover officer I was issued a double barrel .22 mag. I was seeing guys (on the opposite side) with 9mm's,.357's, .41 mags, .45's, and you name it. I was under gunned and knew it. The powers that be said "that's all you need to bluff your way out...you're not suppose to get in a shootout!.

My sweet wife had been saving her "milk money" and bought me a Nickle Satin Combat Commander in .45 acp. I carried that pistol for years either tucked in my waistband or in a inside the waistband holster. It save me many times through the years.

Administrations change and all of a sudden it was too dangerous to carry a 1911. Didn't matter that I had carried it for years and had not had any accidents. They required us to carry a department issued weapon. Usually a .38 Special or a .357 magnum revolver. Most of us would carry our old guns as a back up or second gun hidden from plain view. Then the autos came to the forefront with the change of administrators. The new boss had been a fellow member of the pistol team and was gun savvy. He asked me, if he would approve a SIG pistol (we were issued S&W revolvers and autos) for carry, would I buy one. I told him I would and he said buy one. I bought a P 220 .45 acp. I packed that pistol for may years and shot it enough to say it is one of the most reliable pistols I have ever owned. It rest in my night stand drawer for those "bump in the night critters". The night sights still glow brightly, too.

If I were going into a dark place I would prefer a 1911 to comfort me, however, I would not feel under gunned with the Sig at my side. If I were hard pressed...a Glock would work, too. ops: I just wouldn't want my parents to know.

Buddy

squinty

Well, of course different people have different preferences!
I am a fairly inexperienced shooter. When I first decided to buy a gun I tried out various range rentals, and discovered that the one I shot most accurately with my minimal experience was a Kimber with a very light SA trigger pull. Whereas any double action guns magnified all my bad trigger habits and transitioning from DA to SA with guns like the Sig or Beretta was just too much of a challenge to shoot accurately. Plus my first range gun, a buckmark, was a single action gun with similar controls to the 1911.

That changed as time passed and I started trying to draw from concealent and shoot. Under those circumstances, the heavy first pull of a DA/SA felt like less of a liability than theneed to quickly disengage a manual safety, and SA shots with the Sig were just as accurate (for me - better shooters than I probably notice a difference) as the 1911. So I switched. I'm sure that if I had stayed with the 1911 exclusively and trained with it, it would now be my preferred action. But I didn't, so it's not. That said, I still have my stainless Springfield .45, and love it, and could use either gun - (or my XD!) - effectively if I had to. I just felt better clearing leather with the Sig.

What I said about hex screws still applies - I can't stop myself from stripping them! Grrrr!

Ken Hebert

And I change mine out from flathead to hex! I'm sensing a generational gap here... I grew up with all that there newfangled stuff! (now 33)


buddy fuentes... No fight here, just varied opinions. I know what I prefer to carry, but that don't mean I wouldn't carry whatever's available to me. You know that old addage "best gun in a fight is the one you have with you".


Heck, I'll admit to expierementing with several kinds: SIG 220, 226, of course the 229, even a 239 for a short time; STI Ranger II, Wilson CQB; H&K USP .45c, P7M8 (like that one!); Glock 19 and 26; still use a Keltec P3AT as a back-up. I think just about the only type I've not tried to carry is a wheel gun, again just personal preference. That, and I seem to jerk shots low-right in fast DA strings with a revolver.

Ken Hebert

Thought about it for a short time, and to be totally honest with ya'll and myself, I'm just more comfortable having more ammo at my disposal in my chosen carry gun. I know they say that most gunfights are over in five rounds or less, but what if I'm in the one that takes more than five? "Hey!! Time out, no fair! Do over!!"?? Nope.

Till then I will do my best to avoid that day, but if that day comes then I will do my best.

buddy_fuentes

Ken, you are absolutely right. The more ammo the better in a fight, but if I can't conceal it I probably won't carry it. Some of the hi-caps are a tad hard to conceal. I really have been thinking about a Glock 19. I just can't make the jump, yet.

I carry the tiny Kahr 9mm 100% of the time. That way I won't get caught without anything. However, I do Carry a Smallish 1911 in .45 most of the time, too. You know how it is; sometimes you leave the big gun in the truck. You know you shouldn't, but you do.

As for the caliber...I ain't scared! A good 9mm round placed where it is suppose to go will do the job. Forty is OK, and .45 acp is the best. Anything less than nine is not worth carrying. Yes they will kill someone and no they are not likely to stop a fight.

Well I pray that we are all fortunate enough to never have to face the day we use our firearms to shoot anything other than a target. I was nearly car jacked last Friday morning. My awareness and an old couple lingering in their truck probably foiled the offense. Thank goodness.

Buddy