|04-18-2002, 07:50 PM||#1|
Join Date: Aug 2001
I do not own a Sig and never have, but I am in the market for another .45 and have narrowed my choices down to a H&K USP F and Sig 220. I do own a USP in .40 and it is one fine pistol. I would like to know the pros and cons from those of you who own and/or shot both.
The price for both is within $10 of each other in my area.
|04-19-2002, 03:30 PM||#2|
I do own a Full Size USP, and I wouldn't trade it for any other gun. I also have a compact, and feel the same way. However, I also have a SIG P226, and P239, and I wouldn't trade either of these. I guess I'm not much help here, but I can give some advice.
Try both of them out if possible at a range, at the least, go to a store that sells both and just handle them for a while.
I have never used a P220, but knowing it is made by SIG, makes me believe it will be a reliable, durable, and great handgun; similar to an H&K.
Sorry, I couldn't be of more help.
|05-02-2002, 09:35 AM||#3|
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: WA State
I have both a full size USP and a SIG P220 Duotone and I love my USP much more. I think that the opponents of it that say that it is not suitable for CC, musn't have good holsters. I use a Horseshoe Leather shoulder rig for colder climates, and an IWB for warmer times. I have no functionality problems with the weapon whatsoever; I have fired upwards of 12000 rounds through mine. I carry it with Federal 230gr Hydra-Shoks. And in response to the previous post regarding the HK trigger, I have always admired the pull on mine. I have one of the earlier production USP's though, I bought mine in 1996. Since then, it is all that I have used for a primary carry weapon.
|05-02-2002, 03:12 PM||#4|
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Fairview, Oregon USA
The Sig has soul!
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|05-05-2002, 06:41 AM||#5|
Join Date: May 2001
I too carry a USP45 concealed on a daily basis. Primarily in a Kramer IWB#3. I have no problem with concealment, but is all about the leather and the build of the individual. I am also a big fan of the SIG 220. It has always been one of my favorites. I chose the H&K over the SIG for my agency initially for the magazine capacity, but it also proved to be more cost effective. I have complete confidence in both, and would have had a tough choice if economics had not made it for me.
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|05-06-2002, 10:21 PM||#6|
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vancouver, WA
I have both HK in 45,40 and full-size and compact. I also have the whole Sig line up and even became a Sig armorer. Both are excellent weapons. Durability goes to HK and concealment to SIG. Both are about the same in regards to accuracy. Both weapons are used by our special forces. So it boils down to which one shoots and feels better to you personally. Hope this helps.
|05-07-2002, 07:38 AM||#7|
Join Date: Apr 2002
Wondering about the same question. I actually think the HK .45 Compact compares size wise with the 220 more than the full size one. I asked the gunsmith at a very busy Bay Area range about durability and she said both were fine, but the HK seemed better. Her theory was the flex of the plastic reduces wear on the gun. Interesting. Another big advantage of the HK is that you can carry it cocked and locked, or w/ safety on, or w/ safety off. Or even convert it to DAO or decocker if you prefer those modes, at some cost. The SIG is a SIG, which is an advantage in a way.
I agree with Robert from Oregon that the SIG has more soul. But I think the CZ-97b has even more.
|05-13-2002, 10:42 AM||#8|
Join Date: May 2002
I've got the usp compact in .45, and a 2340 (In a day or two), but I ran a box of 357 sig through it, and it rox.
Before you buy either full-size, try the usp compact.
You lose a couple of rounds, but all the controls are a little closer together, and more ergonomic.
It might conceal a little better.
And mine's a shooter. :smile:
Don't let the name fool you, it's not THAT much smaller.
For instance, My usp compact .45 is less than an inch shorter than a full size glock 20, both in the grip height (with the extended floor plate mags, they are almost the same in the grip), and in the slide length.
Without them sitting next to each other, you would never know which is smaller. (But you would assume the *compact* means smaller.)
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|05-14-2002, 08:12 PM||#9|
Join Date: Jan 2002
You see alot of "220 v USP 45" or "Sig v. HK" threads on several diff't boards. I've come to the conclusion that both have loyal fans because both make a quality product. I don't think you can go wrong if you pick the one that works best for you. Try to shoot a sample of both at the same time. Purchase the one that fits best, handles best, feels best and shoots best FOR YOU :wink:
|12-24-2004, 04:42 AM||#10|
Join Date: Nov 2004
sig vs hk
I would go with the sig but hk pistols are good to.I have had littleexperience with a hk but I have carried,competed and trained with sigs for a while now after tryingmany othe brands(glock,springfield,walther,taurus,etc)and I have found my sigs to be reliable accurateand rugged.A buddy of mine is an hk fan and he thinks the same of his hks.I think both companies are good,but I would go with the sig. I dont like the polymer guns anymoreIt feels like when you go to the supermarket and the teller asks you if you would like"paper or plastic"that is one of the two reasons I would not choose hk.I have had great success with my sigs and I shouldnt change something that is serving me fine.I would also consider price in your choice too.
|12-24-2004, 07:04 AM||#11|
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Tucson, AZ
I've had both USP's in full and compact sizes, like the compact the best.
I still have my Novak P220 in .45 and .400 Cor-Bon. Out of the box, the
Sig is a far better gun for carry, IMHO, because the trigger is way more
user-friendly and the whole package slimmer and rounder with less sharp
edges. Spend a few bucks on sights and a trigger-job (mine was done
by Actions By T-excellent job!), and the gap narrows quite a bit. The
biggest advantage for the HK I see is the ability to take pounding hot
ammo. I put a .40 Super barrel in mine after seeing that it would handle
.45 Super with no problem. I did go through quite a few recoil springs
though. Once I sent my P220 to Novaks' though, the trigger came back
silky, the Bar-Sto actually made it more accurate(no small feat), and the
removal of what little sharp edges there were made it even more a joy
to carry. I like them both, but overall the Sig won out for me. I won't
be buying any plastic guns anymore, but if I did I'd probably snag
another USP 45c so I could shoot the Super loads again without a big