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Old 08-29-2002, 07:03 PM   #11
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On Bud Price

He built my 1st custom 1911 in about 1977{still have it}..Also have 38 Super he did up with S&W sights, a LW Commander with same, and a long slide he did up for me{Ray Wilson and Bill North 'smithed the slide}..These guns were a bargain at the time, generally running in the low $400 for full house treatments.

If I'm not mistaken, he quit building guns about 1982-83..
 
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Old 09-02-2002, 06:22 PM   #12
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Hoag ltwt. Commander...

Saw one of these for $1000, I believe, at last Indy 1500 show. It was in exc. cond. IIRC. Was that a good deal? Tricked out nicely, only modern amenity it "lacked" was night sights. Had the orig. box, papers, etc. I did get a card from the dealer for future reference; he said I was 1st person at show to take much of a look at it. Your opinions please?
 
Old 09-28-2002, 08:07 PM   #13
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Hi all,
I was hoping to shed a little light on the Devel situation. I was (am) fortunatel to own several Devel's including the only Gammon that was ever built in 9mm Devel ( A prototype cartridge that was developed to make major, basically a 9x23 built in the early 80's) I had two sets of dies and about 1000 rounds or brass for the gun. The gammon itself was serial # DG CM (Devel Gammon Chip McCormick) and the gun was built up by Bruce Gray. Yes most people don't know that Bruce was one of only 2 gunsmiths that worked on the Gammon series and he is one of the first to work with and design the compensator systems. Unfortunately Wayne Novak talked me out of it for an amount taht I couldn't pass up. Wayne also had a video made with Charlie with all of Wayne's Devels and he spoke about each one. Quite a great video about the history of Devel. I still own quite a few of Bruce's pistols and they are the guns that I would NEVER sell.
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Old 10-01-2002, 05:47 PM   #14
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I also remember Bruce Gray working for a fellow named Steve Malloy back around '89 to '92 or so. They were the first ones to be installing double chamber compensators on their raceguns. Angelo Spagnoli used one of those guns to win the '89 Steel Challenge. Then Bill Wilson started selling the DP comp, and all hell broke loose on comp chambers.

I guess some of us were paying attention.
 
Old 11-13-2002, 09:25 PM   #15
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I'll also point out that the gentleman who ran the firm called Devel was Charlie Kelsey (not Devel). Charlie's firm did cut-down S&W autos and customized 1911's. Charlie pioneered the .38 Super "game gun" with his novel "Gammon" (which, I believe, both Chip McCormick and Mickey Fowler used in competition). Charlie also came up with the 8-round magazine follower design that was later purchased by Chip McCormick for use in his "Shooting Star" line of magazines.

Rosco[/quote] Hiya! I'd like to add something about Devel. Charles Kelsey was the owner and visionary, but did relatively little of the actual gun work during my time there, save for some of the more automated S&W conversion operations. This takes nothing away from him, as his ideas were very innovative and avante-garde. The original Gammon .45 used by Mickey to win the 1981 Bianchi Cup was actually a failure, being innacurate and hard to control, though it paved the way for better-concieved and executed comp guns to follow. I was hired on the strength of my early work in comp guns and .38 Super. I built the original .38 Super Gammons during the winter of 1981-82 using a terrific comp design by a true genius named Will Hapthoff. Along with a couple guns I built for NorCal shooters like Angelo Spagnoli and Mike Little, these were probably the first classic "iron sighted Supers" to hit the IPSC world. We got Black Hills to crank out a bunch of gnarly Major PF ammo, which scared the bejeezus out of us when we tested them indoors. Devel's sponsored shooter Chip Mc Cormick used one of these Super Gammons to shoot a few matches in '82, and then got into the pistolsmithing business himself. Most of the other 1911 Devel custom jobs, such as the pre-Officer's "Socius" guns were built by another talented employee who has long since left the trade and who's name I regrettably forgot. Charles Kelsey now lives in Texas and has been involved in some ammo developement, last I talked to him.
The devel 8-round mags had some serious design flaws that caused them to fail at a high rate. I was gratified by the success Chip and others had with Will's basic spring-follower concept, but the MecGar mag bodies we got were not too great. (MecGar makes good stuff now, and our problems were with our called dimensions more than their QC.) I hope this is interesting to anyone with an old Devel gun. It brings back a lot of memories, all good when seen through the long, flattering lens of time gone by. -Bruce Gray
 
Old 11-13-2002, 09:41 PM   #16
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I also remember Bruce Gray working for a fellow named Steve Malloy back around '89 to '92 or so. They were the first ones to be installing double chamber compensators on their raceguns. Angelo Spagnoli used one of those guns to win the '89 Steel Challenge. Then Bill Wilson started selling the DP comp, and all hell broke loose on comp chambers.

I guess some of us were paying attention.
Hiya! I noticed this post and wanted to weigh in. I don't recall anyone named Steve Malloy. I actually did very little work between '87 and '90, due to a stroke that made me the embodiment of everything you've ever heard about eccentric gunsmiths for a few years as I recovered...Angelo Spagnoli still claims I built him a terribly innacurate, revolutionary lightwight (?!) PPC / Bianchi revolver that "looked like a fish" during this time, though I mercifully don't remember it. Angelo did win the Challenge with a light, 2-chamber short dedicated steel gun; I planed and pattern-cut the slide around critical areas, rather than cutting millions of holes as was the vogue then and now, resulting in a clean, rigid and shootable little popgun. I guess we only remember our successes! I will say that I started building multi chamber comp guns in 1979. I almost took a comped .38 Super to the 1981 Nationals, but Mike Dalton told me they'd never allow me to shoot it there at Major PF. Gee, wasn't 8 grains of Blue Dot safe enough?- Bruce Gray
 
Old 11-15-2002, 08:12 PM   #17
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I noticed this post and wanted to weigh in. I don't recall anyone named Steve Malloy. I actually did very little work between '87 and '90, due to a stroke that made me the embodiment of everything you've ever heard about eccentric gunsmiths for a few years as I recovered...
It was a shop in Manila, Arkansas called Handguns LTD Custom Gunworks, around 1989. Steve Malloy was the owner, and they were advertising a picture of a double-chamber comp (pin style, no front sight) and once I SWORE they said Bruce Gray was the pistolsmith. And Angelo's steel gun looked just like it.

Very sorry...I'm probably wrong. If I'd known Mr. Gray would be around here, I'd have kept my DAMN MOUTH SHUT!!!:wink:
 
Old 11-15-2002, 10:54 PM   #18
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Steve Malloy was the owner, and they were advertising a picture of a double-chamber comp (pin style, no front sight) and once I SWORE they said Bruce Gray was the pistolsmith. And Angelo's steel gun looked just like it.

Very sorry...I'm probably wrong. If I'd known Mr. Gray would be around here, I'd have kept my DAMN MOUTH SHUT!!!:wink:[/quote]

Well, I could never have lived in Arkansas! I keep my couch in the living room, my wheels are on my car rather than my house and I know what the definition of "is" is. I don't own a single "Molly Hatchet" album and I know how to spell "Phoenix City". (Look on an Arkansas map.) My wife has fewer tattoos than me, nor are we blood relatives. Jim Boland used to tell folks I was sold into gay white slavery in Italy...but pistolsmithing in Arkansas? That's a stretch!

Angelo's winning Steel Challenge gun was more of a full profile dual port job, if I remember right. Was it actually a "pin type" compensator? I haven't seen it in a decade or so. I'll have to ask Angelo to drag it out sometime for a family visit.

I do recall reading that a Japanese model gun company apparently rendered it in plastic, and in considerable detail, down to the holser wear. Those poor, deprived bastards. It amazes me how we privileged Americans take our rights for granted. If California bans marriage to women, I'll need one of them in plastic, too. - Bruce
 
Old 11-18-2002, 04:50 AM   #19
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Bruse Gray and me

Isnt the pistol you built for Spagnoli the one while you worked for me??
Remind me of some of the stuff we combined on . At age 84 Im getting a bit forgetful. I remember too me chasing you and Stanton out of the shop at 3 30 AM.
 
Old 11-18-2002, 07:32 PM   #20
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...but pistolsmithing in Arkansas? That's a stretch!
Don't tell Mike Plaxco....
 
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