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Old 02-15-2012, 03:31 AM   #1
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Cool Why Does S&W Hate the PP ???

I love the Walther PP.

I can take the PPK or the PPKs and take them, or leave them. Mostly, I'd just as soon leave them.

If I had to keep them for my own collection, I'd rather have One Walther PP than a Half-Dozen Walther PPKs.....

Why Doesn't Smith make Walther PP Pistols?

And why no .32's or .22's? What's up with that?

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Old 02-15-2012, 05:13 AM   #2
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To be honest I think S&W wanted to make the PPK to tap into the self-defense market, as the Walther was very popular indeed for that use. Kinda doubt they care about the nostalgia/collector demographic all that much.
 
Old 02-15-2012, 07:34 AM   #3
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Well, nostalgia and collecting is one thing--a good thing--but I like the PP for all-around use.

I prefer the .32 to the .380 for defense--because I believe it has more penetration, and neither round is much more than a Long-Range Ice-Pick.....

And the .32 does carry one more round.

I've never got to try a .22 Walther PP. I've heard that they can tend to jam a bit--something about the .22 LR having marginal power to operate the Walther Action.

This may or may not be true--and even if true, perhaps there are remedial actions that could be taken.....

But for a Low-Bulk Training/Plinking/Fun-Gun/Occasional Pot Shooting Gun an occasional jam might not be such a Grievous Fault.

O, I know--I threw you off track when I used the Word "Collection".

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Old 02-15-2012, 04:55 PM   #4
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Walther never made a PP model in America because it was primarily intended to be a holster pistol.
Here, the popular Walther's were the concealable PPK and PPK/s.
There were too many other more powerful holster guns available.
It's very unlikely S&W will make a PP simply because sales would be very low.

The .22LR Walther PP, PPK, and PPK/s are actually very reliable little guns as long as you test fire enough to find a specific brand and type of ammo that specific gun "likes".
The .22LR slide is lightened enough that standard power .22LR ammo will operate it with no trouble.

They're also usually very accurate and sometimes exceedingly so.
When Manurhin was importing the PPK/s back in the 1980's I bought a .22 version.
I won a number of bets shooting at shotgun shell cases at the 50 foot range against larger .22's with target sights.
 
Old 02-16-2012, 11:56 PM   #5
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... I prefer the .32 to the .380 for defense--because I believe it has more penetration, ...
Have you ever done any side by side tests?
 
Old 02-17-2012, 12:37 PM   #6
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I think the focus here is all wrong....it has nothing to do with what S&W wants...but it may have *everything* to do with what Walther ( or parent compant UMAREX) wants !!! ......

What do you mean "why does S&W hate the Walther?"....and why the many comments as to S&W calling the shots? S&W is the licensee to produce the Walther. It seems reasonable to expect that S&W was approached by Walther/Umarex to produce the guns...and was told *which* ones....and *which* calibers....they can make.

Wouldn't that make sense?....

BTW....the "assumption" ( quote.. " I heard" ) about 22LR's not being reliable is ridiculous. The 22 has caliber-specfic springs and the feed ramp design, the fixed-barrel design, the lightened-slide, etc... and other aspects of the pistol design show this to be a most reliable gun. I can say this because I have one and shoot one....and didn't just "hear" this.

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Old 02-20-2012, 04:17 AM   #7
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I said "I Heard".

If you read the next line, "I don't know this for a fact."

Yet the comment seemed to have irritated you.

Sorry, but again, I don't comprehend the snippiness.

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Old 02-20-2012, 04:19 AM   #8
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No snippiness intended...my apologies if I came across this way.....just stating factual, known experiences.

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Old 02-20-2012, 04:36 AM   #9
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Cool.

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Old 02-20-2012, 04:43 AM   #10
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Let's all sing Kum-By-Ya around the campfire !! ......
 
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