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Old 11-29-2001, 08:35 PM   #1
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A pal of mine recently bought a Springfield Armory stainless/alloy "Compact" (PX9162L).

The pistol is very nice. Unlike the earlier "loaded" models, it features a cross-dovetailed front sight and is pretty well dehorned. Removing the ugly rubber stock and screwing on a couple nice wood panels resulted in a pretty little blaster. It functioned perfectly and even had a nice trigger. Springfield was even on the ball enough to use the thicker/higher version of the Novak rear sight, so the pistol will hit POA/POI and still have a decently high front sight. All in all, a very nice pistol and a real value.

So why BOO?

My pal disliked the integral mainspring housing lock...on principle. I agree. He purchased a Wilson 30-LPI checkered housing and an Officers ACP-sized mainspring, mainspring cap & pin, and mainspring housing pin retainer (the Springfield uses the same diameter components as a full-size 1911. Colt and the aftermarket housings use a larger diameter spring & parts).

However, upon trying to install the new mainspring housing, it became apparent that Springfield Armory wasn't content just to put a lock on their mainspring housing. THEY MOVED THE $%?#*&% PIN HOLE! That's right. The mainspring housing pin hole is drilled a tiny bit farther toward the rear of the frame than Colt-spec and the holes won't line up to permit the pin to be pressed home.

Thinking that we had an out-of-spec frame or mainspring housing, my pal called Springfield today and they 'fessed up to changing the position on the holes.

WEAK, Springfield Armory, WEAK.

I originally thought that Springfield's Integral Locking System was pretty clever. It originally appeared that it was there if one wanted it, but easily replaced if one didn't want it. Things are not always as they appear.

Rosco

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Old 11-30-2001, 01:46 AM   #2
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Well, we can sure as hell fix that.
Let's see what the loaded 2003 models look like.

Here's their email for anyone interested in sharing your feelings about this.
sales@springfield-armory.com

This is really just biz as usual though.
You don't want to spend R&D and ad hype making something the customer will just swap out at first chance.

We just need to 'splain to them just how important it is for us to play Mr Potato Head with our toys.

[maybe move to political forum?]
 
Old 11-30-2001, 05:17 AM   #3
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Rosco:
Does this mean that ALL SA pistols will have mislocated MSH holes, including the Milspec? That would put SA right in there with Kimber and Colt as far as "almost got it right" 1911's. They were the only ones left...
 
 
Old 11-30-2001, 08:15 AM   #4
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So much for Springfield 1911s for me. Ah, well. I prefer Kimbers and Colts, myself.
 
Old 11-30-2001, 08:58 AM   #5
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This has to be a recent change or only on their compact frames. I had a 9mm Loaded model with the MSH lock on it earlier this year. I was able to put a Colt polymer MSH in the pistol as a replacement, then change it back when I sold it. I've also noticed that, sometimes, aftermarket MSH's are not all up to spec. My father has a Para-Ordnance P12 with the factory MSH in it. He had purchased a S&A replacement MSH that the holes wouldn't line up on. These are even labeled specifically for the P10/P12. So I think there is some play in some manufacturers tolerances. Have you tried any other MSH's or just the one?
 
Old 11-30-2001, 09:04 AM   #6
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Hello, Roscoe, and thanks for the informative post. I'd assumed, like many, that one could just swap out the mainspring housings.

I'll put the word out in my neck of the woods.

Thanks again.

Best.
 
Old 11-30-2001, 09:41 AM   #7
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I can't say whether or not this folly is limited to the Compact frames. I also can't speculate on whether whether earlier iterations of the Integral Locking System had the pin-holes properly located. I can only address the one example that my friend and I encountered.

I will note that, in addition to the Wilson housing, we tried a Colt housing in the SA frame and it wouldn't work. We tried the Wilson housing in a Colt Officers ACP frame and it worked fine. We tried the SA "ILS" housing in the Colt frame and the holes were off.

Unlike the various key-locked Taurus' and other junk on the market, this is a sad situation, because the SA "loaded" pistols are very nice otherwise. The blockier frontstrap profile and thicker dust cover were items that I was willing to live with (or have corrected). This bastard hole location thing is "strike three" as far as I'm concerned.

Rosco
 
Old 11-30-2001, 10:56 AM   #8
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I just don't understand what the reasoning would be for not allowing the user to swap out the MSH. What if I wanted checkering or scallops or the wave on my MSH? One of the draws for the 1911 style pistol is how many customizing options are available. Why would they want to limit my options as a customer? That just drives me away from their product.

I'm sure it will just be a matter of time before one or more aftermarket company comes out with the "New and Improved" Springfield pinhole cut MSH, so what exactly is the point of changing the pin location? Have you talked to Dave Williams about this? I would like to hear what he has to say about it.

One things for sure though. I won't be buying another new Springfield pistol until I know I can swap out the mainspring housing.

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Old 11-30-2001, 03:48 PM   #9
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It must be on Compact models only because I was able to swap my old Milspec arched MSH with the ILS one that came with my Loaded Champion. Besides, I thought they had made the ILS system to be readily added to any current 1911. If what you're saying is true than there's either 2 lines of ILS (one for SA guns, one for all others) or there's one set of ILS for the Compact size frames and another for the full size frames.

Maybe I'll send of an email to Springfield to get the lowdown.
 
Old 11-30-2001, 06:35 PM   #10
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At least the pro model doesnt have this dumb ILS system.
 
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