|03-30-2010, 07:40 AM||#41|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Down by the river
First choice and what I carry, 230 grain, Winchester Ranger Talons...
Fired into three phone books that were water soaked for two days (next best thing to ballistic gel). Bullet passed through two books then into about 1" of third book with a continued shock wave for about another 2". The Talon expands to 1" as it cuts through flesh with its razor sharp tines.
Verses a Zero 230 grain Hollow Point... Penetration was a little deeper due to less expansion.
Off the shelf at your local sporting goods store would be Speer Gold Dots. I've read many reports on studies with superior results. Speer also challenged any police department to visit their facilities bringing their ammunition and comparatively test firing GD's and theirs; they all went home with Gold Dots.
|07-15-2010, 12:25 PM||#42|
Join Date: Aug 2009
That's pretty-much what Fackler did when they first came out with it and stole his egotistical thunder.
If a round stops with one-shot 97% of the time who cares if the shooter didn't immediately do a forensic examination of the wound. A one-shot stop is a one-shot stop. That is all that matters, cessession of hostilities. You all can argue scientific minutae all you want, bottom line is that M&S gives a decent snapshot of stopping power. Only problem I have with it, and it is a small problem, is that it's slanted towards whatever round the majority of LEOs are carrying at the time. But, there is enough data for me to make a somewhat informed decision on what 45ACP to stuff in my Kimber. There is such as thing as too much information too. I've heard some Arm-Chair experts claim that unless there was film of each stop and each shot and a detailed forensic-analysis the information was useless. To which I answered one with," Well, unless they interview the guy right after the shot to find out what it felt like, what his initial reaction internally was and what he had for lunch, their data-demand was useless." Too much data is too much data.
On the whole, good post. FWIW, I agree with 99% of it.
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