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Old 08-02-2005, 05:52 AM   #1
 
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Most accurate 9x23 barrels

Hello 9x23 experts. I'm new to this forum and to the 9x23 but it's certainly got my attention.
I'm would like to build a 9x23 1911 with the goal of making it as accurate as possible. 2" at 50 yards would be the minumum requirement. There's any number of 45 caliber 1911s that do better than this so I don't think I'm asking to much.
My question is about who makes the best barrels with this in mind. Will I need to chamber it myself, and if so, who has the best reamers?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

gene
 
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:15 PM   #2
 
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Re: Most accurate 9x23 barrels

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Originally Posted by PK_Guy
Hello 9x23 experts. I'm new to this forum and to the 9x23 but it's certainly got my attention.
I'm would like to build a 9x23 1911 with the goal of making it as accurate as possible. 2" at 50 yards would be the minumum requirement. There's any number of 45 caliber 1911s that do better than this so I don't think I'm asking to much.
My question is about who makes the best barrels with this in mind. Will I need to chamber it myself, and if so, who has the best reamers?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

gene
Mine's a Nowlin, started out as a 9mm Commander barrel. We reamed it to 9x23 dimensions using a .38 Super reamer, so that way I can use either with no ill effects. I think Nowlin and Clymer are 2 popular reamers. Jim Garthwaite or Dane here can answer you much better than I could.

Ken
 
Old 08-03-2005, 09:10 PM   #3
 
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I wouldn't but my favorite pistol IS a 9X23

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I'm would like to build a 9x23 1911 with the goal of making it as accurate as possible.
If as accurate as possible satisfies you then have at it. If extreme accuracy is the goal I'd put my own money in a .38 Super for many reasons.

Have you read Layne Simpson's custom 1911 book on the 1911 in general and including the origins and some development of the 9X23?

For my money there are many fine barrels out there such that the differences will be lost in the noise - that is the performance is close enough that I'd never be able to tell the difference (I do remember a tale of fitting 10 barrels and using only the best one when Uncle Sam was buying for the service teams - that would work but I can't afford it myself).

I understand there are several reamers out there - Simpson emphasizes the difference between a reamer for a green barrel and a reamer to clean up an existing chambering in another cartridge - got to affect accuracy but I don't know how. I'd certainly start with a green barrel and forget the tales of versatile chambers - long ago the 9mm Largo guns out of Spain were marked 9mm/38 and people often spoke of them as multi-caliber by design but they weren't.

Given the limited selection of 9X23 factory ammunition - enough with Winchester having 2 loads and others out there but still limited and expensive and given the long throat in the standard 9X23 chamber (I can't say SAAMI but there is a sort of understanding with some variations) I'd definitely go with the .38 Super (headspace on the mouth of course, not the rim) for maximum accuracy.

The .38 Super will offer a better selection of ammunition with far more tested and booked loads for handloading and I think the SAAMI throat is more likely to give the finest accuracy.

That said I have no doubt that getting in line with our host and a requirement that the pistol shoot 2" at 50 yards will with time and money give you a 9X23 pistol as accurate as possible and a thing of beauty and a joy forever.
 
 
Old 08-11-2010, 12:38 AM   #4
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Dead thread, but I am bored.

I use Briley barrels for a long slide and standard 9x23. Briley and Nowlin both short chamber the 9x23 barrels, so after fitting you can send them back or buy your own reamer. Not many local smithys will have a 9x23 reamer on hand. You can buy a 9x23 reamer from Dave Manson for around $70 I think, head space gauges are $20 or $30 each. If you have your own lathe to finish ream the chambers the reamer is cheaper than Briley or Nowlin to finish ream, about $100 either way. I think Dane quoted me about $65 awhile back, but check with him first.
 
Old 09-08-2011, 01:57 PM   #5
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Mine's a Nowlin, started out as a 9mm Commander barrel. We reamed it to 9x23 dimensions using a .38 Super reamer, so that way I can use either with no ill effects. I think Nowlin and Clymer are 2 popular reamers. Jim Garthwaite or Dane here can answer you much better than I could.

Ken
i spoke to Innovative Custom Guns today & told a 9mm to 9x23 barrel conversion with slide/barrel sent in was $50. does this sound reasonable?

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Old 09-24-2011, 04:09 AM   #6
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9x23 barrel

See my post "Winess Match 38Super rechambered to 9x23 Winchester".
That was my slide sent to Jim at Innovative Custom Guns. Cost was $44 shipped.
Before locking in on a 1911 frame with a max round count of eleven my 9x23 now is at 21+1. That's double and the gun runs like greased snot!
 
Old 09-24-2011, 11:23 AM   #7
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holy multi-time dead thread revival batman!! Double posting, too!?! Awesome!

Kidding. I like the Witness idea too. Plenty people bad mouth 'em, but I swear they make a hella fine pistol, IMO. Too, I think 50-75 bucks is reasonable if you don't wanna do it, it's worth spending that to get exactly what you want, I think.
 
Old 09-24-2011, 01:04 PM   #8
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New Large Frame Witness Elite Match 9mm

Box stock from Tangfolio gun comes with SAO trigger, LPA adj. sights, fully ramped supported barrel. Need two Mec-Gar LF or EAA 38 Super mags. At this $650 price point, you have covered all $'s to have a 9x23 Match pistol(includes shipping, mags and gunsmithing) +$25 if you want 21+1--new base pad.

After spending $1500 to convert a 1911 to these specs it still won't outshoot the new Match Witness and we are still left with the 11 + round count issue.

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Old 04-17-2013, 12:33 PM   #9
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Old thread new member. Any barrel can be accurate. It's all in mechanical repeatably or does the barrel lockup in the back end the same way every time without binding. In my over 30 years experience with various barrel manufacturers I've used nothing but Freddy Kart barrels for 20+ years. They are the standard.
 
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