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Old 03-03-2006, 03:07 PM   #11
 
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Handsome weapons ! Ouch on those prices.
 
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Old 03-05-2006, 07:13 AM   #12
 
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I'll drop in a couple of pennies of opinion also. The 9x23 is a great cartridge, no doubt. I have two and I mostly shoot reloads. The ammo is expensive and very hard to find. If I run across a box or two of factory loads, I'll buy them if the price is not too stiff.

The next obstacle is there is no publicity. A movie or a few magazine articles would help. Most folks have never heard of it. I have had people at the range ask me what I am shooting and when I reply... they usually have a stumped look on their face. I usually tell them it is a .38 Super on steroids and include it is the auto pistol's answer to the revolver's .357 mag.

The .357 Sig took off like a rocket and it is not as good as the 9x23. I have one and it is not that impressive, to me.

So, if you know some of the gun magazine writers, ask them to do a few test and articles on a pistol in 9x23, .38 TJ, or something similar. (They probably won't unless someone spends a chunk of advertising $$$$ with them. Notice the guns that get tested over and over. Yep, the big advertisers.) Anyway, if Baer, Wilson, Springfield, Kimber, or Glock would build a 9x23 it would get plenty of print.

OK, I'll quit crying.


Buddy
 
Old 03-17-2006, 02:39 PM   #13
 
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Lack of advertising, availability, when was the last time you saw a big name shooter win a match with a 9x23, expensive ammo, etc. All of these are good points that when taken together would make any product fade into obscurity.

So what do we do to remedy the situation? Mag articles would help as would a run of factory guns. Rob Leatham (or any other recognizable shooter) winning a major match would really help. Relatively inexpensive ammo would be great for those that don't reload. We could try "re-introducing" the caliber with a different name. It's been my experience that American shooters (not all, just those that are uninformed) shut their brains down whenever they hear 9 in front of anything. I've actually had other shooters ask me what I was shooting and after I told them 9x23 they looked at me and said, "oh, a 9mm". I tried to explain all about 9x23 but the glassy eyed stare I received told the story. So how about we call 9x23 something like (all with permission from the cartridge designer first) ... 357 Super, 355 Maximum, 355 Auto, 355 Magnum, you get the idea.

We could start emailing pistol mfg's to produce a run of 9x23. We could email cci and ask that they bring back the 9mm Largo. Who's up for an email campaign?
 
 
Old 03-17-2006, 06:10 PM   #14
 
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Todd Jarret shoots a .38 TJ which is about the same as a 9x23 from my understanding. I am not sure because I have never had the chance to see one. He has been known to win a few matches, have you heard much about that cartridge? Probably not, I saw one magazine article on it.

I am on your team...I will e-mail or send letters. Start things going! You the man!

Buddy
 
Old 03-17-2006, 06:54 PM   #15
 
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38 TJ is basically a rimless 38 Super with a modified extractor groove. The modified groove allows more of the case to be surrounded by the chamber. As far as velocity goes the 38 TJ stops where the 9x23 starts. Anyone know how to get an online petition started?
 
Old 03-17-2006, 10:13 PM   #16
 
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Getting an article or two in the leading gun magazines extolling the virtues of the 9x23 would help. Perhaps a name change for the caliber is in order. 9x23 doesn't say much about the power of the round. How about referring to it as a 9 millimeter magnum ?
 
Old 03-18-2006, 06:11 AM   #17
 
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The article I read had the .38 TJ pushing 1700/1800 fps. so they must be close (9x23-.38 TJ). I have heard of the 23 being pushed to some HIGH velocities, too.

Seems I've heard of a 9 mm magnum before, but you are right, a name change may help.

As far as getting an on line petition started...look to someone else. I am doing good to type this. I am not computer literate, I am more illegitimate.

I am sure there are many more folks out there with the 9x23 than we think there are. I have two and several friends have them also. I feel that most folks are like me, load and shoot, load and shoot. We never approach the firearms manufacturers or ammo companies and ask for new loads or guns. We accept whatever is on the shelf.

As I said before, if I come across a box of 9x23 factory ammo, that is not too expensive, I buy it. I would love to see some different bullet configurations on the market.

Buddy
 
Old 03-22-2006, 08:13 PM   #18
 
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You were right. 9 mm magnum was used for a short lived 9x29.5 Winchester cartridge for the Wildey gas operated semi automatic. It's ballistics were decidedly unimpressive. I suppose 9 mm Super is still available.
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:02 AM   #19
 
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Just my thought...could be wrong.

I think for there to be public acceptance, some small double action autos will have to be made for this cartridge as well as some larger double stacks as well. I think its going to have to come in a variety of packages stating that it has to power of a .357 magnum. One thing the .40 Smith is probably in the same leage as .357 for service pistol use. I do perfer the 9x23 though and hope it survives.
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:07 AM   #20
 
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Originally Posted by buddy_fuentes
The article I read had the .38 TJ pushing 1700/1800 fps. so they must be close (9x23-.38 TJ). I have heard of the 23 being pushed to some HIGH velocities, too.
Is this with 124 grain Bullets? Is this with compensated guns. I am content with 1450 out of 5 inch guns but would love to have that speed out of 4.5 inchers. I don't think I would want to go past 1550 for my uses even if that much, recovery time for me.

What kind of brass life at those velocities?
 
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