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Old 07-28-2006, 09:48 PM   #41
 
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9MM IN 9X23

Hey Buddy,
Some are gonna' say I'm bein' a bad influence on You. .....9x19 in a 9X23.

Thanks
Bill Caldwell
 
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Old 07-29-2006, 10:22 AM   #42
 
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Re: 9X23 is slower than the .38 Super with the DPX from Cor

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Originally Posted by ClarkEMyers
9X23 shows 100fps slower than the .38 Super from Cor Bon with the DPX. I wonder what the loads and especially the internal ballistics are like? Does the increased capacity of the .38 Super make up for the presumbably lower pressure? I suspect the DPX takes up space in the case more like a heavier weight lead bullet?

I wonder if the best of the .38 Super combined with long loaded 9X19 in race guns and oddballs like the .38TJ will combine to leave no place for the 9X23 to grow?
Clark,

We load the 9x23 DPX to perform within certain parameters. The maximum penetration we wanted in 10% ballistic gelatin was 17". That's where we stopped with the 9x23 in the DPX load. If we load it to max pressure, it would penetrate way more than we feel is needed in a defensive loading.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 02:04 PM   #43
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The actual results reports I've got from a friend overseas are very impressive. <snip> The PowRball round has shown GREAT promise! <snip> If we load it to max pressure, it would penetrate way more than we feel is needed in a defensive loading.
Mike,

Don't tease us like that. We need to hear the rumors and stories.

So, if you don't mind, how about some more details on what "very impressive" means and how much do you think a max loaded round would penetrate?

Of course, you can't give too many details. Afterall, we wouldn't want to compromise anyone or give away any trade secrets. You never know, you may be able to talk me out of Silvertips and into PowRballs.
 
 
Old 08-02-2006, 05:42 PM   #44
 
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Steve,

I really can't give much in detail (who or where). I can say that a shot to the back of the head from 30 ft with a 9x23 PowRball round from a 4" gun looked like a high power rifle wound on the front of the BG's head. It impressed me enough to get a barrel for my 5" 9mm 1911.

9x23 PowRball penetration in our tests using "properly prepared" 10% ballistic gelatin gives 14" with a recovered bullet that is almost flat and the size of a quarter.

The 9x23 DPX penetrates 17" and recovered diameters are in the .55" area.

The 125 JHP load penetrates about 13" and recovered diameters are @.60-.65"

This was our testing. We don't like quoting our figures, but there are no independent test results out there with these loads.
 
Old 08-04-2006, 07:01 PM   #45
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It sounds like what you would expect from a .357 which, as we all know, is what the 9x23 is.

As I've said in another post, I had the opportunity to speak face-to-face with John Ricco the inventor of the 9x23. One of the things that impressed me most was the penetration of FMJ's. He said he'd not seen any other pistol cartridge with the same penetration characteristics.

He told me about the time he was at the range along with a local cop who was testing a full length ballistic shield. I think some refer to these things as mobile bunkers. It has a window and the cops line up behind it as they advance on the bad guys. Anyway, the cop was shooting everything he had on hand at this thing to see how it would hold up. Then he ask Ricco to shoot his 9X23 at it. Apparently the 9x23 was the only round that caused the side opposite the impact to bulge out. He figured if hit the same spot a second time the 9x23 would have defeated the "bunker."

I'd also read somewhere that Winchester didn't produce an FMJ load specifically because of its extreme penetration.

Still, penetration has its advantages especially against bad guys with body armor and bad guys wearing heavy winter clothing or motorcycle leather.
 
Old 08-12-2006, 02:54 PM   #46
 
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Originally Posted by teamcorbon
Steve,

I really can't give much in detail (who or where). I can say that a shot to the back of the head from 30 ft with a 9x23 PowRball round from a 4" gun looked like a high power rifle wound on the front of the BG's head. It impressed me enough to get a barrel for my 5" 9mm 1911.

9x23 PowRball penetration in our tests using "properly prepared" 10% ballistic gelatin gives 14" with a recovered bullet that is almost flat and the size of a quarter.

The 9x23 DPX penetrates 17" and recovered diameters are in the .55" area.

The 125 JHP load penetrates about 13" and recovered diameters are @.60-.65"

This was our testing. We don't like quoting our figures, but there are no independent test results out there with these loads.
Sounds like the 9x23 PowRball is an extremely impressive round. However, Corbon isn't going to sell much of it if you need custom guns in the $2000 range to shoot it. Do cartridge manufacturers such as Corbon have any influence at all on gun manufacturers ? We need somebody making 9x23 handguns at reasonable prices before the 9x23 can take off.
 
Old 08-12-2006, 04:28 PM   #47
 
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$2000.00 Custom 9x23

No need to spend $2000.00 for a 9x23. Any 1911 with a 9mm or 38 Super slide can be a 9x23 by fittin' a 9x23 barrel...at the worst, might have to work on or replace extractor and ejector. If no 9x23 barrels are handy...chamber a 9x19 or 9x21 to 9x23......To convert a 45cal.or a 40 cal 1911, buy a 9mm/38Super slide, fit a 9x23 barrel, change ejector and extractor,install other needed parts.

Thanks,
Bill Caldwell
 
Old 08-12-2006, 08:54 PM   #48
 
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Re: $2000.00 Custom 9x23

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Originally Posted by Bill Caldwell
No need to spend $2000.00 for a 9x23. Any 1911 with a 9mm or 38 Super slide can be a 9x23 by fittin' a 9x23 barrel...at the worst, might have to work on or replace extractor and ejector. If no 9x23 barrels are handy...chamber a 9x19 or 9x21 to 9x23......To convert a 45cal.or a 40 cal 1911, buy a 9mm/38Super slide, fit a 9x23 barrel, change ejector and extractor,install other needed parts.

Thanks,
Bill Caldwell
If I go the 9MM route, will a 9x23 magazine (assuming I can find one) fit in a 1911 9MM magazine well ? If I go the 1911 38 Super route I'm almost certain I'd need extractor work. We're talking about a rimless vs. a semi rim cartridge. However, the cartridge length is about right. All the custom jobs seem to be based on the 1911. Don't get me wrong, the 1911 is a great design (I've got a Colt Series 80). But I'm looking for a high capacity weapon. Any suggestions for a high capacity 9x23 that I won't have to mortgage the house to purchase ?
 
Old 08-12-2006, 10:16 PM   #49
 
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louishob2
Glock 20 = 17 + 1 . Add a plus 2 pad = 3 rounds of 9x23 = 21 shots.
 
Old 08-12-2006, 10:53 PM   #50
 
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louishob2
Glock 20 = 17 + 1 . Add a plus 2 pad = 3 rounds of 9x23 = 21 shots.
I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that a Glock 10 MM can be converted to 9x23 with a barrel change. Where can I get a 9x23 barrel for a Glock 20 ? Also, what do I do about the magazine ? Where would I get 9x23 magazines for the Glock ?
 
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