9x23 1911

tkosiba · 04-09-2008, 04:01 PM

I decided six months ago with bullet availability becoming scarce, along with higher pricing, to make a new move toward 9x23.

So I created a "9mm program" for general practice, USPSA and IDPA shooting. By converting to a 9mm bullet, economies of scale come to favor. I use a 1911 single stack, engineered for 1.250" reliability using 9x23. It's great for USPSA Single Stack minor, IDPA ESP and general practice.

In addition, I shoot Glock Production 9mm and use the same load with my RRA 9mm AR-15 carbine. So I use the 9x23 single stack more for minor than major, but it sure makes life easier on bullet consolidation and cost savings. My bullet of choice: 9mm 147 gr. HP.

One final note: I shoot the same 1911 frame for 10mm major by switching uppers (done deliberately with a gunsmith), so versatility and reliability remain excellent.

Any other thoughts on this?

buddy_fuentes · 04-10-2008, 03:03 PM

Forty S&W is much chaeper to shoot ten mm. Brass is the big difference and there are tons of reloading data for the forty.

Best to you.

tkosiba · 04-11-2008, 12:59 PM

Sorry...but shooting 30,000 round of 9mm is the cheapest of all with medium recoil, along with the broad range of gun use. Besides, a "single stack" is best with a "long cartridge" that it was designed for. Please don't confuse that with double stacks that have in-line feeding and can effectively handle all sorts of short length cartridge rounds (e.g. 9 x19, .40 S&W).

I only shoot 10mm for major shooting events, so it's not that big of a deal with the 10mm bullet cost being the same as .40, yet with a very slight brass cost difference (.01-.02 cents). And there is also tons of 10mm reloading data in conjunction with it's .40 S&W brother.

Overall, I KNOW I shoot more volume than ever before. And I still think it's a smart move in today's changing world of ammo cost and availability. That's why I wanted to share this story.

buddy_fuentes · 04-11-2008, 06:12 PM

I agree with your thoughts on the 9 mm. I shoot a fair bit of 9 mm, myself. I mostly shoot a Kimber Target II that is a nine. The pistol has a very light recoil and is accurate. I mostly shoot steel with it, but have shot single stack (USPSA) with it. I thought the 10 round mags would give me an advantage over shooting 8 rounds in Major.........Wrong.

Buddy

04-09-2008, 04:01 PM	#1
tkosiba Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Winfield, IL Posts: 58	9x23 1911: A New Way of Thinking I decided six months ago with bullet availability becoming scarce, along with higher pricing, to make a new move toward 9x23. So I created a "9mm program" for general practice, USPSA and IDPA shooting. By converting to a 9mm bullet, economies of scale come to favor. I use a 1911 single stack, engineered for 1.250" reliability using 9x23. It's great for USPSA Single Stack minor, IDPA ESP and general practice. In addition, I shoot Glock Production 9mm and use the same load with my RRA 9mm AR-15 carbine. So I use the 9x23 single stack more for minor than major, but it sure makes life easier on bullet consolidation and cost savings. My bullet of choice: 9mm 147 gr. HP. One final note: I shoot the same 1911 frame for 10mm major by switching uppers (done deliberately with a gunsmith), so versatility and reliability remain excellent. Any other thoughts on this?

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04-10-2008, 03:03 PM	#2
buddy_fuentes Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 571	Forty S&W is much chaeper to shoot ten mm. Brass is the big difference and there are tons of reloading data for the forty. Best to you.

04-11-2008, 12:59 PM	#3
tkosiba Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Winfield, IL Posts: 58	Sorry...but shooting 30,000 round of 9mm is the cheapest of all with medium recoil, along with the broad range of gun use. Besides, a "single stack" is best with a "long cartridge" that it was designed for. Please don't confuse that with double stacks that have in-line feeding and can effectively handle all sorts of short length cartridge rounds (e.g. 9 x19, .40 S&W). I only shoot 10mm for major shooting events, so it's not that big of a deal with the 10mm bullet cost being the same as .40, yet with a very slight brass cost difference (.01-.02 cents). And there is also tons of 10mm reloading data in conjunction with it's .40 S&W brother. Overall, I KNOW I shoot more volume than ever before. And I still think it's a smart move in today's changing world of ammo cost and availability. That's why I wanted to share this story.

04-11-2008, 06:12 PM	#4
buddy_fuentes Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 571	I agree with your thoughts on the 9 mm. I shoot a fair bit of 9 mm, myself. I mostly shoot a Kimber Target II that is a nine. The pistol has a very light recoil and is accurate. I mostly shoot steel with it, but have shot single stack (USPSA) with it. I thought the 10 round mags would give me an advantage over shooting 8 rounds in Major.........Wrong. Buddy