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Old 05-05-2008, 03:23 PM   #1
 
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9x23 or 10mm in witness?

thinking about either going with the 9x23 or 10mm in the tangfolio witness platform. I have heard that customer service is bad, but I think the pistol is perfect. Im assuming it can easily handle the pressures from both of these rounds, and even though it has more recoil, the 10mm seems to have more energy, but less capacity. I would go with the 1911 platform, but I would rather have DA, and the double stack magazine adds to it. I have searched to board already and wondered if its worth it to go the 9x23 (I will start reloading like half a year after I get the pistol) or the 10mm (I think the gunshop said they will order any ammo though) but they have 10mm in stock so no wait.

Besides caliber, I have heard that there is no conversion to the .38 super in witness to fire the 9x23 win. and if that is not the case, does anyone know from experience what has to be done and how much it costs? thanks for the information!
 
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:53 PM   #2
 
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If you like 10mm and 9x23 and would except a different platform, check out a Glock 20 or 29 plus a BAR-STO conversion barrel in 9x23.
 
Old 05-05-2008, 07:32 PM   #3
 
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oh yeah, forgot to mention, I never really did like the feel of the glocks, I shot some police issue one in .40 cal and it wasnt harsh but it was just kinda weird, and I prefer DA rather than the glock safety system. I wish I liked glocks more, they are good guns, but I prefer all steel. thanks anyways!
 
 
Old 06-22-2008, 03:00 PM   #4
 
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Originally Posted by poohdawg
If you like 10mm and 9x23 and would except a different platform, check out a Glock 20 or 29 plus a BAR-STO conversion barrel in 9x23.
Ok. I'll bite. You're talking about a 9x23 in a Glock. Once you've got the barrel, what are you going to use for a magazine ? I can't believe that a 10 MM mag would feed reliably without modifications. I'm not sure it would feed reliably with modification.
 
Old 06-22-2008, 03:06 PM   #5
 
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Re: 9x23 or 10mm in witness?

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Originally Posted by instantbacon
thinking about either going with the 9x23 or 10mm in the tangfolio witness platform. I have heard that customer service is bad, but I think the pistol is perfect. Im assuming it can easily handle the pressures from both of these rounds, and even though it has more recoil, the 10mm seems to have more energy, but less capacity. I would go with the 1911 platform, but I would rather have DA, and the double stack magazine adds to it. I have searched to board already and wondered if its worth it to go the 9x23 (I will start reloading like half a year after I get the pistol) or the 10mm (I think the gunshop said they will order any ammo though) but they have 10mm in stock so no wait.

Besides caliber, I have heard that there is no conversion to the .38 super in witness to fire the 9x23 win. and if that is not the case, does anyone know from experience what has to be done and how much it costs? thanks for the information!
I've seen claims on more than one forum that the EAA Witness 38 Super will fire the 9x23 with at most a recoil spring change. If you're willing to bet on the 9x23 working, you should be able to just buy a 10 MM conversion kit to have both calibers.
 
Old 06-22-2008, 03:12 PM   #6
 
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Re: 9x23 or 10mm in witness?

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Originally Posted by instantbacon
thinking about either going with the 9x23 or 10mm in the tangfolio witness platform. I have heard that customer service is bad, but I think the pistol is perfect. Im assuming it can easily handle the pressures from both of these rounds, and even though it has more recoil, the 10mm seems to have more energy, but less capacity. I would go with the 1911 platform, but I would rather have DA, and the double stack magazine adds to it. I have searched to board already and wondered if its worth it to go the 9x23 (I will start reloading like half a year after I get the pistol) or the 10mm (I think the gunshop said they will order any ammo though) but they have 10mm in stock so no wait.

Besides caliber, I have heard that there is no conversion to the .38 super in witness to fire the 9x23 win. and if that is not the case, does anyone know from experience what has to be done and how much it costs? thanks for the information!
Oh, and for the record, the customer service at EAA sucks like a Hoover vacuum cleaner. Not only is the service bad, but they have an attitude problem as well. Hey, I have to take that from my wife, but not a firearms manufacturer.
 
Old 06-22-2008, 09:22 PM   #7
 
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Re: 9x23 or 10mm in witness?

Glock magazines work . My 29 is 100% , the 20 magazines need a little tweeking . ( bending lips )on dropfree mags.
No spring change needed The 29 is my compact 9x23 carry .
 
Old 06-23-2008, 09:45 AM   #8
 
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Re: 9x23 or 10mm in witness?

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Glock magazines work . My 29 is 100% , the 20 magazines need a little tweeking . ( bending lips )on dropfree mags.
No spring change needed The 29 is my compact 9x23 carry .
It would be the Glock 20 I'd be interested in. I've got a Steyr M1A 357 Sig that holds 12 rounds in the mag that's about 20 fl lbs shy of 9x23 power as loaded by Corbon. I'd like to beat that capacity for a 9x23 or I'd just stick with the Steyr. Is lip tweaking the only thing that Glock 20 magazines need ? Did you do it yourself ?
 
Old 06-23-2008, 05:05 PM   #9
 
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Re: 9x23 or 10mm in witness?

Even after I work on the lips of the mags, I have never been able to get the Glock 20 mags to work 100%.
I did the conversion on both the Glock 20 & the Glock 29 myself. Classic Pistol Indoor Range in Southampton, PA has done the conversions quite successfully. (This shop is John Ricco's who originally designed the 9x23 cartridge as we know it. He may be retired now, but the shop still exists). The web site is: [http://www.classicpistol.com/].
 
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