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Old 09-19-2009, 09:04 AM   #1
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Steve Schlax 9x23 hand loads...Sept 2009

Many thanks to my buddy Steve Schlax for taking the time to run so many different 9x23 loads through his 5" BCP 9x23 Colt.

Steve's gun has a 5" fluted BCP barrel cut with my chamber reamer and is a unramped barrel. This gun feeds and functions with factory Winchester 9x23 Silver tips and Soft points. All the loads listed below were fired with WINCHESTER 9x23 brass and small rifle primers unless noted. Some are MAXIMUN loads and may not work in your gun. Please start LOW and work up to any listed load here. None of these loads show the amount of primer flow that a 9x23 Winchester factory loads do.

BULLET
CHARGE
POWDER
PRIMER
AVE. VEL.

145gr. Laser cast
5.5gr.
3N37
WSR
1078

124gr. Speer FMJ
7.5gr.
3N37
WSR
1312

124gr. Speer gold dot
7.5gr.
True blue
WSR
1321

124gr. Speer gold dot
7.9 gr.
True blue
WSR
1393

135gr. BERRYS
5.4gr.
N340
WSR
1110

124 gr. Laser cast
5.7gr.
WSF
WSR
1234

124gr. Laser cast
6.3gr.
HS6
WSR
1086

145gr. Laser cast
8.0gr.
AA#7
WSR
1172

124gr. Laser cast
6.5gr.
AA#5
WSR
1165

145gr. Laser cast
7.5gr.
AA#7
WSR
1136

115gr. Speer FMJ
7.5gr.
HS6
WSR
1259

124gr. Speer gold dot
7.8gr.
HS6
WSR
1321

135gr. BERRYS
6.9gr.
HS6
WSR
1167

124gr. Speer FMJ
5.3gr.
N340
WSR
1192

124gr. Speer gold dot
8.0gr.
3N37
WSR
1291

124gr. Speer gold dot
7.5gr.
N340
WSR
1340

BULLET
CHARGE
POWDER
PRIMER
AVE. VEL.

145gr.laser cast
6.2gr.
AA#5
WSR
1108

135gr. BERRYS
5.3gr.
WSF
WSR
1095

124gr.laser cast
6.2gr.
WSF
WSR
1300

124gr.laser cast
7.7gr.
HS6
WSR
1381

135gr. BERRYS
6.8gr.
HS6
WSR
1021

115gr. Gold dot
6.4gr.
N340
WSR
1268

135gr. BERRYS
6.4gr.
AA#5
WSR
1069

124gr.Speer gold dot
6.2gr.
N340
WSR
1220

124gr. Speer gold dot
7.4gr.
3N37
WSR
1270

124gr.Hornady XTP
7.6gr.
HS6
WSR
1333

124gr. Speer FMJ
5.2gr.
N340
WSR
1093

124gr.Hornady XTP
8.8gr.
AA#7
WSR
1233

124gr.Hornady XTP
6.0gr.
N340
WSR
1206

124gr. Speer FMJ
5.9gr.
N340
WSR
1232

124gr. Laser cast
5.9gr.
WSF
WSR
1230



 
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:44 AM   #2
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Re: Steve Schlax 9x23 hand loads...Oct 2009

BULLET
CHARGE
POWDER
PRIMER
AVE. VEL.

124.gr. XTP
7.8gr.
N350
WSR
1357 FPS

124.gr. gold dot
9.5gr.
AA#7
WSR
1334 FPS

124 gr gold dot
8.2gr.
True blue
WSR
1388 FPS

124.gr. gold dot
8.1gr.
HS6
WSR
1345 FPS



 
Old 10-27-2009, 06:01 AM   #3
 
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Re: Steve Schlax 9x23 hand loads...Sept 2009

AllRight...What am I missin' here. Once I discovered the 9x23 and not knowin' uspsa rules at the time ( can't make major PF with 9mm unless You shoot open class ) I tried to see what the 9x23 would do and 1600 fps is doable with 124 gr. bullets in a 1911 .....At this past weekends GATOR CLASSIC a lot of open gun shooters were chronographin' over 1400fps usein' 9 mm brass ( socalled " 9MM Major ") Now We know 9mm brass is not as strong as 9x23 brass, if 9 mm will do 1400fps and unless I didn't look at these loads listed correctly I don't see any runnin' over 1400fps , What am I missin'?

I'm not pickin' on any body, not tryin' to get a ruckess goin'...All of You know My main intrest in 1911s are Maximum FPS

Back to the opengun shooters, some of the powders being used were AutoComp ( I'd never heard of it ) IMR7625, HS 6

Bill Caldwell
 
 
Old 10-27-2009, 09:08 AM   #4
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Re: Steve Schlax 9x23 hand loads...Sept 2009

Just trying to give folks an idea of what is possible Bill...not what the limit of 9x23 Winchester brass is.

Lot of difference between what you can run in a comped and ramped barrel and what you'd run in a 5" or 4.25" unramped gun carry gun. Which is where 9x23 Win brass really shines. No need for 9x23 win brass in a comp gun as you have pointed out.

How about you post some of the loads you have developed, gun, barrel, chamber, bullet, powder, OAL and the actual chrono numbers.

Major? As in a 160PF? Not really major is it :roll: Corbon loads 1450 and 1350 with a 125 gr bullet in 9x23. 1450 and a 125 gr (180pf) bullet actually does make the ORIGINAL major power factor (175pf) which was suppose to represent 230gr ball from a 4.25" Commander. 115 @ 1450 does NOT :wink:



 
Old 10-28-2009, 05:44 AM   #5
 
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Re: Steve Schlax 9x23 hand loads...Sept 2009

Major is 165 pf...And that ain't settin' the woods on fire, I think that is "uspsa thinkin" , drop the pf so they can use 9mm brass....Open Class???? I don't care what they use, I'll quit before I'll go there...I won't build them, I'm not gonna carry one concealed, BUT I KNOW SEVERAL HANDS THAT WOULD NOT BE COMPETEIN' SO IT IS COMMENDABLE that uspsa has a class for them

Dane, I'll try to find My data on the 9x23....I keep excellant data on load development, I just don't keep up with the notebooks it is written in...I haven't shot 9x23 since I got the .224 Zipperer runnin'....I've got a Caspian Hi cap frame and slide here,COMMANDER, it has been here for a couple of years or so, I've thought of buildin' a 9x23 carry gun but there could possibly be tttttoooooo much penetration, it is not good to take out Joe Citizen for walkin' behind the "PUNK" You've got to take down. As long as I can do headshots at 7 yds with .2 second splits I think I'll do alright with My 9mm Commander

I don't advise any one to use My method of load developement for the 1911, MATTER OF FACT I MOST STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST MY METHOD...With that said I start with a slower burnin' powder that experience has taught I need, keep increasein' the charge until I see strong high pressure indications from the primers, at this point You can get serious about different burnin' rates , reduce the charge with a hotter powder,then work up, go to a slower burnin' powder, increasein' the charge.....MANY WOULD SAY THERE IS GREAT DANGER IN DOIN" THIS AND THEY ARE MOST CERTAINLY CORRECT, I'll be the first to say "DON'T DO WHAT I DO"....There are always some of "US" that spend time over the edge, DIRT TRACK RACEIN' IT IS CALLED GUARD RAIL TESTIN' Lots of HANDS on here can add their own expressions to this

Bill Caldwell
 
Old 10-29-2009, 07:05 PM   #6
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Re: Steve Schlax 9x23 hand loads...Sept 2009

Always interested in 9x23mm load data.

Since my chronograph quit, I haven't been able to do much experimenting.

Most of my loads have been with Power Pistol, but it is very flashy. I was trying Longshot, and it seemed promising, but life got in the way, and I haven't done too much with it. It is definitely less flashy, however.

I stumbled across one load that seems fairly accurate, and pushes a 147 grain XTP at 1340 FPS. I know that is not a world land speed record, but it is a tad bit faster than W-W .357 Magnum Silvertips out of my old 6" Ruger Sec-Six. .002" smaller, while 2 grains heavier. Seems to me to be about equal.

Now, my Delta Elite with the 357 SIG barrel, and loaded 1.265", will do even better than that.
 
Old 11-02-2009, 04:41 AM   #7
 
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Re: Steve Schlax 9x23 hand loads...Sept 2009

That would be tough, doin' load development without a chrono

A few more of MY comments on "HOT" loads for 1911.....I'm not a fan of Ramped Barrels "EVER" IN A 1911....The followin' comments are not "ADVISE " or instructions of any sort, Just because I've done this does not make it a safe pratice..."DON'T TRY WHAT I SAY I'VE TRIED" who knows I might be the biggest liar this side of Texas.

Don't try "HOT" loads with weak cases....For instance, 9x23 will still be goin' strong when 38 Supers have ruptured and blown the mag out of the mag well.....And 38 Supers can run 1300fps with the 130gr bullets, at 1300fps in a 9x23 You are just gettin' the case warm.....I have loaded 9x23s hot enough the firein' pin will weld itself to the primer and lock the pistol up with out case damage ( at least one time, be a DAMM FOOL that would try that hot a load with the same case twice) AGAIN, MY METHOD IS WATCH WHAT THE PRIMER IS DOIN', but You can't judge primer expansion in a 1911 by comparein' what They do in a Remmy 700, I back off when the primers start piercein'...9x23 cases are strong, if You intend to "HOTRODD" the 1911 USE STRONG CASES

40 Super is a strong case.....Cases made from .270 brass is a strong case, .270 cut to the correct length and reamed gives You the 45 Super....Again the primers will give up before You ever get close to splitin or bulgein' the case.....Same .270 case can be shorten to the correct length, neck down to hold a .44 bullet and run up close to the 44 Mag, same deal with the .41 but the 40 Super with 180 gr bullets can be loaded in a 1911 to outrun the 41 mag shootin' 170s in a S&W so it is no use goin' to the trouble to make a 41 when the 40 Super is out there

Bill Caldwell
 
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