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Phil1979 11-07-2010 06:50 PM

EAA Elite Match .38 Super
 
Greetings all, can an EAA Elite Match .38 Super safely chamber and fire 9x23 Winchester without modification?

If not, what type of modification needs to be done to the barrel? Would it need to be reamed a little deeper?

Thanks,

Phil

Sarge405 11-12-2010 06:07 AM

9x23 is longer than a 9x19. Need a new barrel(or chamber). I would opt for a new barrel in order to have both.

Brian D. 11-13-2010 02:57 PM

Welcome, Phil. Some gunsmiths feel that it's not a good idea to use 9x23 ammo in a.38 super barrel because the taper isn't quite the same between the two cases, and of course the 9x23 is much hotter than .38 super.

Having said that, I used to shoot 9x23 factory ammo out of a Colt Series 80 (specifically a 1991 Model w/large rollmarks) chambered for .38 super, without any difficulties. I did, however, use an 18 lb. rather than 16 lb. recoil spring.

Sarge, you made a mistake with regard to your reply: .38 super is roughly the same length as the 9x23 Winchester round. In fact, the latter was developed as an alternative for IPSC shooters who had feeding problems when using the .38 super in double column magazines, because of its small semirim. The 9x23 doesn't have a semirim, hence the rounds stack up better in the mags. The 9x23 cases are also made a little stouter than the .38 supers, thus allowing IPSC's power factor to be made a bit more easily.

9x19, a/k/a 9mm Parabellum or Luger cases are--you got it--about 4mm shorter than the .38 super and 9x23 Winchester.

Sarge, you've been very helpful to folks on here so I thought you'd want some polite correction on this topic, no harm intended.

Phil1979 11-14-2010 05:05 PM

Thanks Brian, I appreciate the info. Rimless is the reason I prefer the 9x23 Winchester over .38 Super, because it has less chance of a magazine jam up.

Sarge405 11-15-2010 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian D. (Post 136118)
Welcome, Phil. Some gunsmiths feel that it's not a good idea to use 9x23 ammo in a.38 super barrel because the taper isn't quite the same between the two cases, and of course the 9x23 is much hotter than .38 super.

Having said that, I used to shoot 9x23 factory ammo out of a Colt Series 80 (specifically a 1991 Model w/large rollmarks) chambered for .38 super, without any difficulties. I did, however, use an 18 lb. rather than 16 lb. recoil spring.

Sarge, you made a mistake with regard to your reply: .38 super is roughly the same length as the 9x23 Winchester round. In fact, the latter was developed as an alternative for IPSC shooters who had feeding problems when using the .38 super in double column magazines, because of its small semirim. The 9x23 doesn't have a semirim, hence the rounds stack up better in the mags. The 9x23 cases are also made a little stouter than the .38 supers, thus allowing IPSC's power factor to be made a bit more easily.

9x19, a/k/a 9mm Parabellum or Luger cases are--you got it--about 4mm shorter than the .38 super and 9x23 Winchester.

Sarge, you've been very helpful to folks on here so I thought you'd want some polite correction on this topic, no harm intended.

And you are of course correct. I had a brain fart. Had 9mm on my mind vs 9x23 when I answered instead of 38super vs 9x23. Thanks for being so polite in correcting me. You are a gentleman of exceptional character!

Brian D. 11-15-2010 03:36 PM

Sarge, I try to take my cue from Stephen Camp, who posts on several gun forums and is like the poster child for polite discourse. Only wish I was as gun-smart as he is.

Since you've been on this site I've seen you be very helpful, and nice about it to boot. That's critical on boards like this that are practically unmoderated/unsupervised.

Sarge405 11-16-2010 11:07 AM

Could you please tell my wife how nice I am!

one eye joe 01-04-2011 02:53 PM

The posts on this thread are exemplary of the level of knowledge, the willingness to share information, and the curtesy that is commonplace amongst the members of this Forum. It's a privilege and pleasure to belong.......

cohee 01-04-2011 04:30 PM

Would it optimize function to run a 9X23 chamber reamer through a .38 super barrel?

I realize that this would prevent return to .38 super use.

raybo 09-08-2011 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cohee (Post 136441)
Would it optimize function to run a 9X23 chamber reamer through a .38 super barrel?

I realize that this would prevent return to .38 super use.

would it be correct to use 38super :rolleyes:ammo in a 9x23 chamber(after a reaming) but expect a shortened life for brass due to excessive stretching?


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