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Join Date: Mar 2001
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O.K. I don't want to start a which is best etc but I recently have been shooting a range buddy's Glock32c in .357sig and man is that thing a hoot. Lots of sinus clearing muzzle blast but almost no recoil(subjective I know) and I can hit well with it. So I guess my question would be: What are the advantages and disadvantages of a bottle necked cartridge reaching those velocities vs. a thick straight walled case doing the same velocities? Heat exchange factors? I feel the 9x23 has the reloading advantage because it uses almost the same set up as 9x19 but other than reloading all I can think would be different between them would be cycle rate and the feeding agle etc. in different guns which just makes them equals in most ways does it not? what say ye? :smile: Thanks, Eugene |
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Eugene, Here is a post with my 9x23 and .357Sig data: Quote:
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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David, Great info. Was this post on this forum or elsewhere? I thought I checked all the posts that might have some .357sig comparisons but must have missed it if it was here. So what I gather from this is that I was about right in that they are near equals. So what adventages would you, and others, find in 9x23 or .357sig as far as reloading or weapon choice go? Thanks, Eugene |
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Join Date: Jun 2001
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Greetings, Further on this matter, as my intent is to have a pistol built on a Caspian widebody frame: 1. Would the capacity be much greater with the 9x23 vs the .357 Sig? 2. Would there be cycling/feeding advantages with one cartidge over the other? 3. Would the performance of either round suffer considerably if the barrel length was only 3.6"? 4. Would high capcity magazines be difficult to locate for either cartridge? Gonzo |
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Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: SillyCon Valley, PRK
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2) It's probably a wash in a properly setup gun. 3) Again... Probably a wash. 4) 9x23 would use 38 Super mags, pretty easy to find... 357 Sig might also use 38 Super mags with a lip adjustment, but if there's 40/10mm mags available, they'd work too... Good Luck... | |
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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I think the 9x23 is a superior round, but then, I am partial to things that are "different." Probably the biggest advantag I can see is in magazine capacity and the fact that a 9x19 barrel will allow very cheap practice. I think the 9x23 is a "sexier" round and is functionally superior; it also operates at higher chamber pressure than any other factory load (except, I think, the hottest .454 loads) . Anyhow, it is one of those rounds that has a lot of versatility, especially with the heavier bullets, and especially for the handloader. |
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Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Reno, NV
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In any given pistol type the magazine will hold about 50% more 9x23 Win. rounds than .357 Sig rounds. The same weight bullets will exit the muzzle at nearly the same velocity (assuming the same barrel length). The .357 Sig might have an edge in feeding reliability due to the bottleneck shape, but once you get nearly 100% reliable function (nothing is perfect) there just isn't much room for improvement. I measured a 125 gr. 9x23 Win. bullet at 1600 fps out of a 4.5"barrel. The same load measured 1450 fps out of a 3.6" Magnaported barrel. Both were on an EAA Witness frame carrying 17 rounds in the mag. The 9x23 Winchester can do anything the .357 Sig can do, and do it more times between mag changes. The only drawback is that the grip length has to be a little longer for the 9x23, but no larger than a .45 acp or .38 Super. Yeah, I like the 9x23 Winnchester. ![]() |
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Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SW Ohio
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Hello Bob. You must have gotten hold of a LONG handled shovel to dig up this 14 year old thread. Wonder if the original particpants are even alive now? Not dinging you Bob it's just that none of these threads ever die off or go int an archive mode. Sometimes people don't look close and think they are joining a conversation still in progress. |
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Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Reno, NV
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Yeah, I knew it was an old thread, but the comments I made are still as valid as they ever were (or weren't). I keep trying to drum up interest in the 9x23 Win.
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Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SW Ohio
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Bob I had a couple year dalliance with the 9x23. Nothing wrong with the caliber but hated it when empty cases got lost at the range. A Colt 1991 in .38 super was my carry gun at the time, 9x23 ammo ran through it just fine without pressure issues. The gun actually grouped better with both factory and reload 9x23 than .38 super of any kind. Eventually I just lost interest and moved on onto 10 mm as a new caliber to load for carry use in places with bears, mountain lions, and other dangerous critters that believe THEY live at the top of the food chain. |
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