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Old 06-12-2004, 04:45 PM   #21
 
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256 hit is square on the head. Seems to me that the area your "woods" are in really dictates that gun and cartridge combo you should be using most of the time. In my local area (California desert/Sierra Nevada mountains) a BAR loaded in .270 Win is a popular item. My trusty Ruger 77RS in .338 Mag also works well for the local mule deer, coyotes and black bear type game.

However, if you live in the north woods or the south eastern swamp lands you might opt for things a lot different due to the typical game size, potential threat and the average length of shot. When I lived in the southeastern states I'd go for a quick pointing, open sighted, lever gun in 30-30 and 35 Rem, but would consider the 444 Mar, 450 Mar or even the 45/70. In the north I'd take a stainless, synthetic stocked, bolt action in .338 Mag or above with 3x9 scope with QD mounts and sights.

Again, depends on what your "woods" are and you're own personal preferences in a gun for your chosen game.
 
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Old 01-16-2005, 10:28 AM   #22
 
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Remington just has announced a limited edition 7600 pump action in .35 Whelan. Because of the design, the barrel on this model is effectively free floated, making it slightly more accurate than most auto/pump/lever rifles. If you want a medium bore, this would be my choice.
 
Old 01-17-2005, 04:41 PM   #23
 
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Thanks Broncho. I just had the great fortune to pick up literally in the last couple of days a near stone mint 1910 vintage Winchester 1894 standard rifle with a new to me rear sight variant fm Winchester in 32 Spl. Not exactly my favorite round, but since it duplicates the 30/30 (Barnes says it's the calibre of choice for those who aren't sure that smokeless powder is here to stay), it will do just find on whitetail and hogs whether the latter be pigs or hawgs.

If it shoots anywhere near as well as it looks and feels, it will make a lovely woods gun for the SE. The 26 inch barrel is tapered and at that length, the foresight is sharp and clean for aging eyes. It handles nigh as lively as one of my much loved Mannlichers and I look forward to making it my favorite woods rifle for a hog hunt in S.C. this coming month.

With the superb balance of the tapered 26 inch barrel, it hangs on target like a target rifle without the need for being laced up in a leather shooting jacket, yet still is lively and fast to shoulder unlike say the same barrel length in an 1886. Much easier to use offhand, than say, the little Browning 92 in 357 whose feathery barrel just wobbles all over for me if I'm trying for a precise shot at a small target.

Think old Francis Sell would have loved it, too. I know I do, and am surely looking forward to laying in a supply of 32 Win Spl tomorrow and trying it out at the range over the next few days. Something so pretty and handy just CAN'T not shoot up to it's look and feel.....

Not to dampen me own enthusiasm for the hunt with the elimination of any sense of surprise, I suspect I'm gonna survive yet again without one of the new Short Fat Mags that seem to be a re-invention of the Winchester short mag marketing ploy of the 50's and 60's except with fatter cases to plague yet another generation. Another near century old gun and cartridge will probably work just as well as they did when they were new.

Cheers....
 
 
Old 01-17-2005, 04:46 PM   #24
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What about a Marlin Guide Gun in .45/70? The loads can be mild to
wild, and perfect for heavy brush.
 
Old 01-18-2005, 11:06 AM   #25
 
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Actually, the myth of the BRUSH BUSTING BULLET has been pretty well debunked over the years by most folks other than writers looking for a perennial old saw subject to sell a new 33+bore cartridge. Mind you, I like my 45/70's and have three I enjoy hunting with, but the standard 45/70 load is probably no better than many a lighter, smaller calibre, faster projectile and at the lower velocity of standard 405-grain loads may be worse.

Brush guns are probably better selected for being well fitted to the shooter, and being lively, fast handling guns for close range shots limited by visibility rather than for any more imaginary than real capability to plow thru brush. If the game is heavier, it may well place a premium on having a large bore, heavy sectional density, round, but that's more to ensure penetration of the critter and breaking heavy bone structure than chopping thru alder stems. Even window glass (and the distance of the target from the glass) can deflect some pretty serious projectiles that with right jacket would otherwise do fine on medium game.

Actually, I don't even like to think about selecting a weapon to shoot thru brush. So many places where the brush is thick enough to warrant the "idea," it's so thick that you couldn't see the game animal or pick out an aiming point. And if you walked thru it, and don't manage to push the game ahead of you or to your flanks, most game critters are probably smart enough to lie doggo and let you pass by them unseen at mebbe even 10 or 15 yards or so. If the idea of shooting THRU bush has any relevance, it's having a scoped weapon that enables one to pick a path for your bullet that won't hit a limb or tree enroute to it's target and, personally, I think that's more optimistic than real life under hunting conditons.

Of course, one COULD opt for John Browning's lovely old Ma-Deuce and with a burst of belt or so, one probably COULD buck brush and lay waste to it like a Honduran Light Infantry Bn on line with machetes---that WOULD likely clear a field of fire...and maybe qualify as a brush buster.

Cheers,
 
Old 01-18-2005, 11:39 AM   #26
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I don't mean for busting through bush, I mean for quick presentation shots of oppurtunity.
 
Old 01-20-2005, 07:52 PM   #27
 
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It would be VERY hard to beat a Rem Pederson series (14, 14 1/2,141 or model 25) pump gun for quick presentation, my 1953 Mannlicher Schoenauer comes close BUT !!!! Other canidates: original Ruger .44 mag carbine, Marlin Marauder (16" 336 similar to a 'Spike horn') or a Winchester " Trapper" 92 with the illeagal 14" barrel !
 
Old 01-22-2005, 08:35 AM   #28
 
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here in central florida i use a winchester mod 94. 44mag for deer and wild hog's does a nice job on both
 
Old 01-25-2005, 05:34 AM   #29
 
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Mr. Hulme,

Just curious---For what calibre is your 53 Mannlicher chambered?

Also curious about your finding the Remington pump livelier or quicker to hand than the Mannlicher unless the Remington is iron sighted. I've got a couple of levers with iron sights that are better balanced for quick use than my little Mannlichers but it tends to balance out if I remove the scope from the Mannlichers. The only fault I've ever found with the Mannlicher's balance was on a piece taken in trade some years ago that had a grossly heavy scope/mount that really threw off the balance of the piece. The little Mannlicher stutzen 256 is about as lively and fast handling as I can imagine for a bolt gun.

Same with a lovely little pre-War Obendorf Mauser in 7X57 that has a steel tubed German 6X in claw mounts...the scope and mounts throw of the balance for me. I plan to remedy that when I finally get a new set of claws made for a little Leupold 1-5X which is lighter, more in keeping with the lines of the little Mauser, and infinitiely more useful for me in the lower powered option. Will keep the 6X for just odd occasions such as a "big-maybe" return to Africa for leopard or perhaps for antelope out West.

Cheers,
 
Old 01-26-2005, 08:03 AM   #30
 
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30-06, yes it has a big old Zeiss scope on Jaeger throw lever side mounts.. The reason the eary Pederson designed pumps are so quick is their thin rapier like balance. these guns are THIN , like a Remington 51 pistol, and the pump action is snake like in operation. The 760 series Reminton pumps are bloated characatures of the earlier guns. Although the tiny model 25 pump in 32-20 is not a deer gun it is Really 'fast' and the 14 1/2 in 44-40 is too, but the 141 in .35 Remington has it all! My 'D' series gun has a Pachmeyer Lo swing mount with a 2.5x Lyman Perma Center with post. It weighs right at 7 pounds, with my 200 grain Coreloktd hand load at 2200fps it is a death ray out to 100yards. 8)
 
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