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Old 04-05-2005, 05:36 PM   #11
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I agree about the flaw in the same caliber theory. For CAS, however, it really dosent come into play because we shoot at such short range. In reality you would need to tailor your loads to the firearm. To me, if you do that, why not just use a "real" rifle caliber? In the old days the .44-40WCF was origionally a rifle cartridge. It was loaded to perform as such. It wasn't till the late 1870's that Colt put it in a pistol
 
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:31 PM   #12
 
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Yes, the SASS shooting distances make the loadings pretty moot. The reloads I have made up are right accurate out of Colt SAA's, the Cimarron Open Tops I currently use and both Winchester 92's and the Cimarrown 73 Short rifle I use, but then again, it's hardly an optimal load for handgun or rifle. Haven't shot SASS in over a year based on my travel requirements, but looking forward to getting back this month.

Just mounted a new foresight on my Browning 1886 SRC and was pleased to see that at 25 yards (the only range convenient was an indoor range) it made just a single, albeit large hole with PMC Lead, Rem 405 grain SP, and Win 300 gr JHP. That's a fair offering of factory options right there without even considering the heavier loads offered by Garrett, Cor-Bon, or Buffalo Bullet. Of course, there's enough disparity between the edges of the "one hole" to open up significantly at a hundred yards and beyond, but I thought it a convenient and interesting grouping of the different loads. Looking fwd to trying it at a hundred with the new foresight.

I've had my 92's and Cimarron 73 rechambered to handle the 44 Mag brass which I use (a mistake for BP ctgs, I think), so I've little experience with the 44/40. Came about from using a 92 I used for hunting, as a SASS main match gun and I followed thru for convenience of ammo resupply. I surely remember though when I was playing with a Smith 44/40 DA that most of the 44/40 ammo one could find was labeled rifle only. Hardly a problem since CAS has become so popular, but it says something about the utility of the common rifle/pistol calibre.

Good luck on the SASS range.
 
Old 12-19-2006, 12:26 AM   #13
 
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I had a 444 years ago. I bought it for Bear Hunting. I really liked it. (Never did get to Hunt Bear with it though.) I got rid of it when I went back in the Service. I now own a 45/70 Marlin Guide Gun. Like what was stated by previous posters, it has more options. Also, when you're out in remote areas, it is a lot easier to find 45/70 loads than the 444. i.e. a lot of small shops carry limited types of Ammo. Anyway, I love my 45/70. As for recoil, I put a Limb Saver Butt Pad on it. That tames some of the bite. Have fun & stay safe! :lol:
 
 
Old 04-10-2007, 04:53 AM   #14
 
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.444 VS 45-70

I love my guide gun in 45-70. With 405 gr sp's can take anything in north America. My normal load is a 340 gr cast flat point (linotype) at 2100 fps that will do for anything up to and including smaller bears. Accurate to 400 meters. For light stuff I use MMP 45 cal sabots and 200 grain cast .40 pistol bullets at 2000 fps. 1 1/2" groups and deadly on coyotes. Almost no recoil and fun to shoot. Just got to make sure I clean the bore with shooters choice to get the plastic fouling out.
 
Old 04-10-2007, 04:56 AM   #15
 
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.444 VS 45-70

I love my guide gun in 45-70. With 405 gr sp's can take anything in north America. My normal load is a 340 gr cast flat point (linotype) at 2100 fps that will do for anything up to and including smaller bears. Accurate to 400 meters. For light stuff I use MMP 45 cal sabots and 200 grain cast .40 pistol bullets at 2000 fps. 1 1/2" groups and deadly on coyotes. Almost no recoil and fun to shoot. Just got to make sure I clean the bore with shooters choice to get the plastic fouling out.
 
Old 05-12-2008, 01:19 AM   #16
 
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45-70

I have used 45-70 rifles for quite a few years, everything form the trapdoor to the lever guns and my #3. My latest project is a pair of Siamese Mausers in that caliber, the first action is at Shaws getting setup, tapered brl, Richards walnut stock and express sights. When it comes back the second one will get done much the same except for a laminate walnut stock, I will do one in rust blue and the other in matte black chrome. thnx [email protected]
 
Old 07-30-2009, 08:04 AM   #17
 
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Re: .444 vs. .45-70

I prefer the 444 simply because it can be stuffed into an AK-47 action. Here is one I made recently. I also made one in .375/444 Marlin. You can't do that with a 45/70.

Tony Rumore
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:22 AM   #18
 
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Re: .444 vs. .45-70

HAH! That's probably the most interesting rationale ever stated for preferring the 444 to the 45/70.

Do have to say, though, having carried one, I've little personal use for the AK platform, so I reckon it's not going to cause me to immediately sell my Marlins, Ruger No 1, or Browning 1886 SRC and replace them with AK 444's. Think I'd rather have a Beowulf on a Colt's or LM&T AR for what use I'd have for 40-Plus bore in such configuration. Still haven't satisfied that itch.

Good input. Enjoyed it.
 
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