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Old 06-27-2011, 07:19 AM   #1
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Anaconda Timing

I have an Anaconda that I bought new and has only 50 rounds shot through it, I stoped using it when I noticed that when cocked slow single or double action it's not turning the cylinder far enough. I was told the fix is a hand that is thicker so I tried a shim to move it over just to see if pushing the hand over closer to the star like a thicker hand would and it did not work. It looks like to me that the star is not right. Any fix without sending it to the factory? Or is there a gunsmith is northern California that is good with Colts?
 
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:36 PM   #2
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Send it back to Colt.
These later Colt revolvers can't be repaired like the older guns could by stretching or refitting parts.

Starting with the Mark III guns and up to the Anaconda, the guns are repaired by pulling new parts from a bin and test fitting parts until a fit is achieved.
Since a local gunsmith doesn't HAVE a bin full of new parts, and Colt won't sell most new Anaconda parts, Colt is the best way to go.

A local gunsmith is to apt to try to alter a part or dummy up something to make it work, and that often causes more trouble than it fixes.
Colt will diagnose what the problem actually is and repair it by installing factory new parts.
While they have it, they'll give it a complete check up.
Since Colt does have a limited lifetime warranty against defects they might repair it for free.

See the web site for instructions on shipping the gun back and the process they follow:

Colt's Manufacturing LLC
 
Old 06-27-2011, 07:33 PM   #3
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dfariswheel.....correct Me if I'm wrong on this, I worked on very few Colt revos....as the pistol is thumbcocked, so to speak , the cylinder is not lined up with barrel and doesn't line up untill the trigger is pulled slightly , then if every thing else is right the hand moves the cylinder to line up as the trigger is pulled futher to the rear of the revo.....been years since I worked on a Smith , We used to think We had them timed right when We could here the bolt drop in the cylinder notch just before the sear released...But a Smith is very different from a Colt

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Old 06-28-2011, 06:50 AM   #4
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Thanks for the reply guys

Wild Bill, The cylnder wont line up when slowly cocked even when the trigger is pulled, If the hammer is cocked at a moderate or fast speed the weight of the cylnder spins it to lock, The real danger is pulling the trigger double action slowly may fire the gun just short of lockup. I agree with dfariswheel I most likely will have to send it to Colt, I was just hoping that I could find a fix that I didn't know about, A case of knowing what you have to do but not liking it. I would like to do some custom work on this gun and was hoping to send it to a good smith and have the timing issue taken care of at the same time. On another forum they talked about a couple of fixes, One is that he bent the hand slightly and said that cured his gun, Another said he used a punch on each star notch to move materal to the left and that worked for him. Both of these seem to be mickey mouse fixes to me. I am afraid if I do send it to someone other than Colt that they will just do one of these fixes. As much as I have been able to learn is that replacing parts is the way to go with this gun, I think that replacing the star with one that can be properly fit is the way to go, I did a little test myself because I had heard that replacing the hand with a thicker one from Colts parts bin was the only fix, The hand is held in place by the sideplate, So I put a shim between the sideplate and the hand to take up all the side to side play that was there just like a thicker hand would do, No help at all. So it needs a new star. Hopefuly Colt has one. Anyone know if Colt's custom shop will do action smooth up jobs on used guns?
 
Old 06-28-2011, 05:31 PM   #5
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Wild Bill:
The later Colt's from the Mark III to the Anaconda use a totally different action then the older Colt's like the Detective Special and Python types.

On the older guns the LENGTH of the hand is critical.
The hand pushes on the ejector ratchet and forces the cylinder to lock tighter. The harder you pull the trigger (within reason) the tighter the cylinder locks.
The classic Colt "out of time" condition is when the hand wears and the gun can be slowly cocked and the hammer reaches full cock before the cylinder is locked.
In most cases, since the hand will push on the ratchet harder as the trigger is pulled, the cylinder will usually be pushed to lock up.

The newer Colt's work more like a S&W, Ruger, or Dan Wesson.
In the later Colt's the THICKNESS of the hand is critical.
As the trigger is pulled, the top of the hand starts to push the cylinder, but quickly it's the side thickness of the hand that pushes it to lock.
On these newer Colt's, once the hammer is cocked pulling the trigger harder can't force the cylinder to lock any tighter.

On the old Colt's you test for tight lock by holding the trigger to the rear and checking for any looseness in the cylinder
This is a valid test ONLY for the older Colt's.
The newer Colt's and all other double action revolvers will NOT lock the cylinder tightly with the trigger held to the rear, and in fact these guns REQUIRE the cylinder to be slightly loose with the trigger pulled.
That's to allow the bullet passing from the chamber to the barrel to force the chamber into alignment with the bore.

On the old Colt's the hand was a normal wear item that when it wore and wouldn't force the cylinder into full lock, the hand could be stretched once, or replaced.
On the newer guns, the hand doesn't usually wear, and if the action does wear, the "fix" is a new special thicker hand.

As for the actual timing on the older Colt's, the cylinder should fully lock BEFORE or right with the hammer reaching full cock, or before the hammer drops in double action.
In other words, if you can cock the hammer very slowly and the hammer cocks before the cylinder is fully locked, the action is out of time and should be repaired.

Magnum 50:
Colt will do action jobs on used Colt's as long as no one else has attempted one.
I don't know about the Anaconda, but Colt offers two levels for the Python.
The service level job is usable with any .38 Special or .357 Magnum ammo.
The Target level job can only be used with .38 Special ammo since it won't reliably ignite the harder primers used in Magnum ammo.

I suspect they only do one level for the Anaconda.
 
Old 06-28-2011, 06:19 PM   #6
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Thanks dfariswheel....Your explanation is the same as Bob Dunlap and Dean Arnold taught....I very seldom work on a revo so I've forgotten a lot and misplaced tools....Still own a few Colts , Gave My youngest Son My Python....

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Old 06-28-2011, 09:10 PM   #7
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Thank you dfariswheel, I will call Colt and find out what they will do on an Anaconda, I will post as soon as I know, If you search the timing problem on Anacondas it seems to be pretty common So info might be good for others too. Thanks again, for steering me in the right direction.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 07:57 AM   #8
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Talked to Colt customer service, Very good talk very informative. to fix this gun it will need a new star and Colt is the only one with parts, They will not sell Anaconda parts so Colt will do the work and do an action smoothup/accuracy job for $130.00 plus shipping. I also talked to three other gunsmiths and they all want to do an action job and say that streching the hand is the fix but from what I have learned that only works on Python type actions. Bowen says send it to the factory too, So I am going to ship it to Colt tuesday. They say about 90 days, So will report on how good their custom work is when I get it back. Thanks everyone for all your input It has helped me to do the right thing.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 01:29 PM   #9
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This is why you have to be careful about what gunsmith you let work on guns.
When three gunsmiths don't know how a later model Colt works, that's a good reason to give them a pass.
No gunsmith is expert on all guns or all gun work....but.

Trying to stretch an Anaconda hand not only won't work, it will usually just shatter the hand.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 01:54 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Magnum50 View Post
Talked to Colt customer service, Very good talk very informative. to fix this gun it will need a new star and Colt is the only one with parts, They will not sell Anaconda parts so Colt will do the work and do an action smoothup/accuracy job for $130.00 plus shipping.
I have had nothing but positive experiences with Colt Customer Service. I find that their prices are reasonable, their work is excellent, and their turn around time is USUALLY less than their estimate. I would NOT send a Colt anywhere else.......
 
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