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Old 09-01-2006, 06:27 AM   #21
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:14 PM   #22
 
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DLC Coating

Bekaert is also coating in North Carolina. They have a much smoother coating who looks real high tech. It is shiny black, not like the dull W-DLC coating.

I do not have the right address, but I guess I can find out if somebody is interested!
 
Old 01-01-2007, 08:40 PM   #23
 
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I hate to dig up an old thread but I'm curious how the finish is holding up.
 
 
Old 01-12-2007, 12:12 PM   #24
 
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W DLC

The finish is holding up admirably - which is what was expected since I own two Sig P226 NSW-9 pistols which have the same coating.

Essentially:

Smooth to the touch
Not too slippery
Impervious to a knife blade scuffing
Black in color - no fading.
 
Old 01-12-2007, 12:13 PM   #25
 
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Re: DLC Coating

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Originally Posted by sergant Highway2
Bekaert is also coating in North Carolina. They have a much smoother coating who looks real high tech. It is shiny black, not like the dull W-DLC coating.

I do not have the right address, but I guess I can find out if somebody is interested!
If one has shiny flats on the slide of the pistol the finish will be shiny. It's all about the surface roughness of the coated material...
 
Old 03-17-2007, 10:53 AM   #26
 
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Wear Resistance of W DLC Coating

After over 5,500 holster presentations using a Blade-Tech IWB holster it appeared as if the W DLC was wearing on the muzzle end of the slide. Upon closer inspection and cleaning it was determined to be very thin deposits of kydex material being "shaved" off of the holster. The pistol -when cleaned - shows ZERO wear.

My testing now complete this is THE coating I recommend fwith no reservations or any aftermarket refinish for a high use duty gun.

Thank you, Darrell, thank you IONBOND/BODYCOTE
 
Old 03-18-2007, 11:13 AM   #27
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Mr. Reed,

I, like many here on the forum, thank you for your time and contributions. There are two queries I have regarding the W DLC coating.

1. What is the corrosion resistance(sorry if I missed this, if such has been posted)?

2. What finish, other than anodizing, would be compatible(friction reducing and wear wise) with the W DLC in relation to aluminum alloy framed pistols?

Again, I thank you for your efforts in bringing the forum this information.
 
Old 03-18-2007, 12:35 PM   #28
 
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Thank you, nvrquit.

The corrosion resistance is enhanced with W DLC due to the 3 micron electroless Nickel being placed on the parts then the W DLC is added. I'll have to defer to my notes to give you a precise number of hours. Suffice it to say that the Sigarms P226 is the US Navy SEALs standard sidearm and it wears the electroless Nickel topped with W DLC (called "Nitron" by Sigarms). I'll get back to you on this. I will say that it demonstrably better than conventional Titanium Aluminum Nitride due to the undercoat of electroless Nickel even though it is very thin.

Sigarms uses the W DLC (on stainless steel slide) on Class III anodization (Aluminum frames).

I have been told that other PVD coatings are being developed to use on anodized aluminum such as W CC (Tungsten Carbon Carbon). I'm sure there are many options here and I'm not privy to R&D efforts but I am researching the research papers.
 
Old 03-19-2007, 04:53 AM   #29
 
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w dlc lube

OK, what cleaners and lubricants would you recommend for a W DLC coated part? Also, is the "navy" the only Sig pistol to use the two layer nickel under W DLC coating, and are the small parts/internals also so coated, or just the slide?
 
Old 03-19-2007, 09:15 AM   #30
 
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Re: w dlc lube

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OK, what cleaners and lubricants would you recommend for a W DLC coated part? Also, is the "navy" the only Sig pistol to use the two layer nickel under W DLC coating, and are the small parts/internals also so coated, or just the slide?
One can use any lubricants on the market. I personally use Brian Enos' Slide Glide (grease) and on other occasions Slip 2000. There are two other products that have caught my undivided attention:

Gun Butter by Boeing Aircraft
Militec

The Gun Butter product was referred to me by Paul Erstgaard of MSTN in Tennessee. He builds phenomenal AR-15s for competition and for some SpecOps operators. It was designed to operate in jet turbine engines at temperatures of 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit - and it doesn't burn off... If only I could make it smell like G-96 I'd repackage it as women's perfume! :lol: Also check out their other product called BoeShield which is a topical spray coating to inhibit rust. It works phenomenally well. Every 1911 owner should have a can or three.

The second product was referred to me by retired Detroit Police officer Larry Sullivan. After inspecting and experiencing the results on his new Smith & Wesson M&P I was impressed and will be obtaining this product as well.

Check them both out if you will.

I've run this second TRP without lubriction and there was no wear, but I'd not recommend this. Remember, I was trying to induce failures in the coating. I do, however, have a feeling of confidence after firing just over 1,500 rounds with no lubrication - including a one day class in which the pistol was fired 482 rounds to be exact.

All of the stainless steel slided pistols from Sigarms have the electroless Ni base coat followed by the W DLC top coat. In fact, all "Nitron"-coated pistols have this coating methodology. This would include:

P226 - all models
P229 - all models
P220 - all models
P239 - all models
1911 Series - all models

Also, keep in mind that any of the older model Sigarms pistols may be sent in to the custom shop for coating.

To coat other pistols and revolvers one must contact one of the authorized gunsmiths associated with Bodycote.
 
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