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Old 02-10-2007, 07:02 AM   #11
 
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On Pricing...

I've often said that the Glock is the best $400 pistol you can buy for $500.

Yes, Glocks are overpriced for what you get. I've read (and believe) that the actual production cost for a G17 runs well under $200. There are distribution, marketing, dealer profit and product liability costs built into the price of every pistol, regardless of maker. However, I also think that the average Glock buyer is paying an added tariff for the sweetheart deals Glock gives law enforcement agencies in an effort to keep Glock pistols in the holsters of, and the Glock name on the lips of, police officers across the country.

I own and shoot XDs and Glocks. Both are excellent pistols and each has its merits/drawbacks. However, I've 'standardized' on Glocks over XDs for three reasons: 1. price (I get the LE discount), 2. reliability (my G26 and G17 are the only pistols I've ever owned that were 100% reliable right out of the box with ANY ammo) and 3. parts availability (Glock parts and Glock armorers are everywhere, XD parts and XD armorers are... virtually nowhere).
 
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Old 03-20-2007, 01:18 AM   #12
 
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glocks

i have a glock 20 and love it. i'm looking around tomorrow for a G21, new one's go for around $600 here in kalifornia. never shot a springfield XD but they must have spent a fortune on advertising when they came out. glocks are not pretty but they're handsome compared to the XD's i think. plus they say a glock will shoot underwater :lol:
 
Old 04-23-2007, 03:10 PM   #13
 
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Re: Glock vs XD

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Originally Posted by waynedm
Single action vs double action. The Glock uses the double action for safety. It's one of the reasons it's called Safe-Action. If the striker spring isn't cocked - it can't fire! Just like a down hammer.
If you fire a Glock, the slide cycles before you can release the trigger. As the slide comes out of battery, the trigger bar is released upward and the striker tab catches coming forward into battery. hence, the gun is "cocked" when it comes forward (trigger back) and the "cocked" striker spring force is what pushes the trigger forward if you release it.

If your finger stays at the rear.... and the striker tab engagement is iffy... the striker can release when the slide jars the frame coming into battery. A Glock can double fire or go uncontrolled fire since the firing pin safety does not "reset" when the slide cycles. The Glock's firing pin "safety" lifting mechanism is a bump on the trigger bar. That FP safety is disabled anytime the trigger is pulled (rearward), trigger bar is in the up position (which occurs as the silde cycles rearward) and the slide has returned to battery.

The sear that a XD (or SIG or Beretta ) has (and disconnector) means the firing pin safety is released to block the firing pin every time the slide comes out of battery, and it does not get out of the way of the FP until the trigger is fully released and then re pulled. Such a design can not double fire.

IMHO, the action design of the SIG, XD and Beretta are much safer for that reason.

EDITED TO ADD:

Hybrid Glock 35 Doubles Real Bad

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.p ... opic=47550

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With 75 rounds of 40SW (CCI, brass, 165grn, about 1050fps) fired today, on four occasions my hybrid G35 doubled or tripled at least three times.
 
 
Old 04-23-2007, 03:16 PM   #14
 
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Re: Glock vs XD

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Originally Posted by waynedm
The XD is not even close the being up to par with the Glock. The Glock is going on 20 years now and has changed the world of pistols - the XD won't make that sort of impact.

Wayne
OK, but I own and like both a G35 and SA XD-40. The XD is a better design. The Glock trigger can be tricked out lighter, but the XD trigger can get down to about 3.5#.

As for Glock changing the world: maybe, because it was at the right place at the right time and got a contract to replace every revolver on the NYPD police force. Other police forces followed.

As for the FEDs: SIG as far as I have seen.
 
Old 04-25-2007, 04:30 PM   #15
 
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but the XD trigger can get down to about 3.5#.
Not to be disrepectful but there's nothing great about that. We run our range Glocks at about 2.5# and ALL the rest of my Glocks are 3.5 or less.

I don't know which Feds you're talking about but the FBI carries Glocks for the most part.
 
Old 04-26-2007, 09:11 AM   #16
 
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but the XD trigger can get down to about 3.5#.
Not to be disrepectful but there's nothing great about that. We run our range Glocks at about 2.5# and ALL the rest of my Glocks are 3.5 or less.

I don't know which Feds you're talking about but the FBI carries Glocks for the most part.

"Not to be disrepectful but there's nothing great about that. We run our range Glocks at about 2.5# and ALL the rest of my Glocks are 3.5 or less."

And my Glock is also at 2.5#. If you read my post, it clearly said:

"The Glock trigger can be tricked out lighter,"

So, I'm well aware that the Glock can be a little lighter. It's because it has no sear or disconnector to rotate, and no firing pin safety plunger to move. All of the above have return springs which must be compressed to move them.
 
Old 04-26-2007, 09:26 AM   #17
 
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Originally Posted by Cope Reynolds

I don't know which Feds you're talking about but the FBI carries Glocks for the most part.
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Once the standard issue pistol of the FBI and currently in the arsenals of such elite groups as the U.S. Navy SEALs, France's GIGN, Japan's Special Assault Team, Malaysia's VAT 69/UTK, the British and Australian SAS, and such law enforcement agencies as the Texas Rangers, Texas DPS, and the Michigan State Police, the SIG P226 has an impressive record.

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The U.S. Federal Air Marshal Service, along with the United States Secret Service, and Virginia State Police use this (SIG 229) as their standard sidearm, chambered in .357 SIG. The .40 S&W P229 DAK is the official sidearm of the United States Coast Guard and the United States Department of Homeland Security.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_P226
 
Old 06-06-2007, 11:29 PM   #18
 
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It's because it has no sear or disconnector to rotate, and no firing pin safety plunger to move. All of the above have return springs which must be compressed to move them.
It's no big trick to get an XD down to less than 3# (after all, it is simply a single-action gun) and really has nothing to do with all the stuff you posted above which is not entirely true. While the disconnector and sear ARE set up differently, the Glock still has a firing pin safety plunger and it still has a spring that needs compressed to move it.

As far as the Feds go, all I said is the FBI is issued Glocks, and they are but thanks for the little history lesson. :roll:
 
Old 06-08-2007, 04:30 PM   #19
 
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Originally Posted by Cope Reynolds
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It's because it has no sear or disconnector to rotate, and no firing pin safety plunger to move. All of the above have return springs which must be compressed to move them.
It's no big trick to get an XD down to less than 3# (after all, it is simply a single-action gun) and really has nothing to do with all the stuff you posted above which is not entirely true.
Well, I would say you are dead wrong in your assertion that it is "no big trick" to get an XD below 3#.... but then, I am laboring under the burden of being a skilled gunsmith who just got finished blueprinting an XD and dialing the trigger down to about 3.6#. Yes, I could get it below 3#, but it would not be safe and it would not fire most ammo.


As for your comment about the trigger pull weight having "nothing to do with all the stuff you posted above which is not entirely true"..... if you have found a way to violate the laws of physics and compress the various springs in an XD (trigger return, sear return, firing pin plunger return) without any force at the trigger pull, we'd all like to know how that miracle occurs.

As for the XD being a "single-action gun", it is because it has only one mode of fire.

EDITED TO ADD: at the risk of stating the obvious, I measure trigger pull in the center of the trigger where my finger goes, not on the very end. Down there, I can get anything to go below 3#.
 
Old 06-08-2007, 04:38 PM   #20
 
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Originally Posted by Cope Reynolds
As far as the Feds go, all I said is the FBI is issued Glocks, and they are but thanks for the little history lesson. :roll:
You're welcome for the history lesson, now here's one in English: when you said:

Quote:
I don't know which Feds you're talking about
I assumed you actually meant that, which is why I answered your question.

I never said the FBI does not currently issue Glocks, but they very recently issued SIGS and other FEDs still do.

Another English lesson: the phrase from the source I quoted saying:

Quote:
currently in the arsenals of such elite groups as
is not a history lesson. Look up "currently" in the dictionary.

Does this sound like "history" to you:

Quote:
The U.S. Federal Air Marshal Service, along with the United States Secret Service, and Virginia State Police use this (SIG 229) as their standard sidearm, chambered in .357 SIG. The .40 S&W P229 DAK is the official sidearm of the United States Coast Guard and the United States Department of Homeland Security.
 
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