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Old 11-03-2002, 09:01 PM   #11
 
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Hey guys!

I picked up my 30 Friday and spent today on the range with it. In all honesty, this thing is, in my humble opinion, a total piece of shit. It points very well and is very accurate. It also jammed repeatedly. It acts almost like a stovepipe, but wedges the round against the top of the chamber mouth at about a 60 degree angle.
I've owned 15 or so Glocks in my life, the 17's and my 21 will feed anything I can stuff into a magazine. Only one of five 19's were reliable. It seems to me that the compacts and sub-compacts are significantly less reliable that the full-size models. Is this true for anyone else?
I'm debating between cutting down a 21 to accept 30 mags and saying the hell with Glocks totally and going to a Sig 245. Any suggestions?
 
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Old 11-03-2002, 10:02 PM   #12
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Wow, that's entirely out of left field!
Either you must have got a lemon, or I don't know what.

I've got two G30s, both trouble free. tens of thousands of rounds with maybe two-three malfunctions, ever, all failures to feed crappy ammo. The hundreds of folks at Glock Talk who own and shoot G30s will bear this sort of experience out. The G30 is perhaps the most accurate Glock made, and certainly no more malfunction prone than the 9mms.

I had two .40S&W Glocks which wouldn't reliably go into battery, though.

No chance of "limp-wristing", I suppose, or of weak ammo? That's just a bizarre experience with a Glock. You've had lots of experience with Glocks by the sound of it, so maybe it's an ammo problem, or a rough chamber? Did you have anyone else look at or shoot the pistol? Did you put the Haart's recoil reducer in it like you mentioned? If so, that may be causing some loss of recoil momentum needed by the slide.
Most Glock malfunctions, if readily reproducible, have an obvious cause.

If you DID get a lemon, and the cause of the malfunctions can be determined (or even if the malfunctions are reproducible and consistent, whether you can tell why or not), I'd send it back to Glock, Inc, with a letter of explanation.

Keep us posted. Best.
 
Old 11-04-2002, 06:30 AM   #13
 
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Sawbones,

No limpwristing, the ammo was fresh factory 165 gr. Hydra-Shok. The chamber is probably not the culprit because the malfunctions were happening prior to the round being chambered. I have not installed a Haarts in it. The magazine appeared to be allowing the rounds to be released vertically, rather than horizontally into the feed ramp.
What gripes me the most is that, as a consumer, It have to go to all of the hassel involved in fixing something that should have been right in the first place. I would never even think about treating my customers this way.
Our society has lost the concept of excellence.
 
 
Old 11-04-2002, 09:37 AM   #14
 
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Definitely a bummer! Gary, all I can say is I own 5 Glocks and have never had any problems with any of them. Of course a lemon can get through any place! Did you try both mags with the gun? Did you try different ammo? I've read that some people have had problems with certain ammo not feeding reliably in their Glocks. Have to admit, I'm not one of those. Not matter what I've feed my Glocks (no reloads) they have gone bang everytime.

Tim
 
Old 11-04-2002, 12:07 PM   #15
 
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The saga continues:

I called Glock, and was routed to voice mail on 6 occasions and had to bitch in order to finally get to talk to a human. After all that, I was told "gee, I don't know what it could be. You'd better send it back." That part didn't seem too unreasonable, except that I was told that I will most likely not be reimbursed for the shipping (which has to be overnighted to the tune of $15-$20 ) and not to expect my weapon to be returned any sooner than 4 weeks.
That Sig 245 is lookin' better all the time!
 
Old 11-04-2002, 03:34 PM   #16
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[size=7]Gary -

FWIW, my Glock 30 always ran without a hitch, no matter what ammo, and no matter if I used the G-30 or G-21 mags. Damn fine carry gun, I thought. I still have it, but don't get to carry it anymore, as per agency policy.

I had Sigs in both .45 and in 9mm - fine guns, but I could never train myself to get over that double to single action trigger, or to get over the fact that they both turned orange within 10 days of owning them.

Let us know what Glock says the problem/correction is when you get it back.
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Old 11-04-2002, 03:48 PM   #17
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Brommeland
What gripes me the most is that, as a consumer, It have to go to all of the hassel involved in fixing something that should have been right in the first place. I would never even think about treating my customers this way. Our society has lost the concept of excellence.
No debating the point of customer service. No debating the gun should be right to start with. I've never dealt with Glock personally but the information I read posted says they are a little hard to get a hold of but once you do they have provided excellent customer service.

It comes to me as no surprise that your customer service is excellent. It also does not surprise me that products from your shop are right when they leave it. The difference being your a craftsman and not assembly line producer. There will be occasions when things get by even the most careful producer of firearms due to their mass production.

I don't understand your run of bad luck with Glocks. I have not had the first jam yet in my Glocks. I have the 21, 23, 27, 30, and 35. The 23, 27, and 30 are fired more than the any of them. I have specifically focused on the 27 and the 30 for carry. No jams, no broken parts, and more accurate than I capable of firing either one of them.


Tim
 
Old 11-04-2002, 04:34 PM   #18
 
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Chris and Tim,

You're right about the rust. That and that long, slow trigger reset are why I carry Glocks in first place. My first shot hit potential is infinately better with a Glock than any other pistol I've used, even 1911's (something I have no explaination for). I love Glocks, but this has been a very negative experience.
Having had zero problems with 17's and 21's, and quite a few with the 19's and now a 30, I have to believe that the full size guns are more reliable. I am thinking about cutting down a 21 to use 30 magazines - I did this with a 17 in 1990 and have been carrying and shooting it every since with 100% performance.
 
Old 11-04-2002, 04:44 PM   #19
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[size=7]Gary:

I am pretty confident that the factory can make your gun right. I would refrain from chopping a 21 frame when there may be an easy fix available from the factory for your 30.

I had an extractor problem on my 21 some years ago: The tooth kept chipping, but the gun kept working. The factory sent me 5 different extractors, and each broke within 100 rounds. I got a call from the factory saying that the Austrian engineers were going to be in Smyrna in a week, and to send the gun. I sent the gun and the engineers looked at it and re-designed the extractor, and installed the prototype in my gun - within 2 weeks time, and at no charge.

If you don't want to go through the factory repair, contact me offline and I may be able to find a good home for your gun.

Good luck -
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Old 11-11-2002, 07:22 PM   #20
 
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Hey guys!
Here is how the G-30 saga ends: I have been able to pretty much isolate the problem. There is too much spring tension on the magazine feed lips and they kept springing open. A couple of guys on G-Talk have had the same problem both with 30 mags, and with 21 hi-caps.
I traded the 30 off for a really clean 21 and have seen the 10 round mags start to do the same thing when fully loaded. If I short them a round, they are flawless.
The kicker has been the overall attitude demonstrated by Glock - they couldn't have cared less and have gotten that message across loud and clear. My next pistol will be a Sig.
 
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