|12-11-2013, 04:20 PM||#21|
Join Date: Dec 2012
I just want to make one for myself. If it works out, it can be scaled down to other calibers. It would be cheaper to produce than a desert eagle.
|01-31-2014, 07:54 PM||#22|
Join Date: Jan 2014
I would like to see both the Joshua and the Jackal (a 454 casull auto and a 10mm long slide for those of you who don't know the reference) come into creation. If you are still interested I have access to a machine shop and might be able to help you out.
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|08-10-2017, 03:25 AM||#25|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Glendale, Arizona
I know this thread is old, but the one thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread yet is chamber pressure. The .454 Casull cartridge develops 65,000 PSI chamber pressure under "normal" conditions. That is hard enough to contain in a revolver. It is all but impossible to achieve in a semi auto pistol, that wouldn't wind up being so heavy, bulky, and unwieldy, it would make it all but a useless, expensive novelty. That would end up costing so much, it would make it all but impossible to market. Let alone market at any kind of profit that would support the company making it.
One only has to look at the Automag to both see and understand this. Automag went belly up, and was resurrected several times. Each time the result was the same..... Bankruptcy. Even when High Standard took it over, they couldn't make a go of it. And High Standard was a financially solid company, when they took control of Automag pistol production back in the 70's. It still was a financial flop, because no company can create a market that doesn't exist.
Another thing you have to remember, is both the Ruger Super Redhawk, and the Taurus Raging Bull in .454 Casull, were built on existing frames. So their costs were already absorbed by the companies producing them. Simply put, they didn't have to design a gun around the cartridge, because they already had one. Building a platform from scratch to fire a cartridge that's already been around for the better part of over 40 years, would be a financial undertaking that would be difficult, if not impossible to make pay off. There simply isn't enough of a market for the cartridge.
It's both expensive and difficult for the average hand gunner to shoot. Let alone shoot well. Smith & Wesson pulled it off with the X-Frame in .500 S&W Magnum. They also accomplished it with both the .357 Magnum in the 30's, as well as the .44 Magnum in the 50's. But the X-Frame .500 was simply an upsized 5 shot N-Frame. The design and manufacturing technology was basically the same, they just made everything proportionally bigger to accommodate the newer, larger .500 Magnum. So it was a cost effective venture. Building an auto pistol platform to handle a 65,000 PSI cartridge, that's been around almost 45 years would not be.
|08-10-2017, 01:36 PM||#26|
Join Date: Jun 2001
The market for the monster guns is very limited.
Other then hard core handgun hunters and people who frequent bear country, there's not much market other then to the Range Toy market who just want something to impress the buddies.
The Range Toys soon wind up stored in the gun case or sold when the "gee whizz" wears off.
So, these are very much a niche market gun that needs either a very big company like S&W who can absorb the costs, or a small boutique maker who can charge enough to make it viable to build.
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