|04-20-2018, 04:56 AM||#1|
Join Date: Apr 2018
guns and RVs
Both me and the wife are retired. We have been thinking of getting an RV and tour this great country of ours, being a Florida Concealed carrier and some one who likes to be protected on the long dark road of the country, always take my carry weapon with me.
This brings up a question: Those of you who enjoy RVing, How you handle the situation with guns or general weapons when traveling trough states that think that if you are a NRA member you must be a terrorist, and if you carry a gun, you must be a criminal?
Do you hide it when traversing these states? Do you leave it at home? etc.
Any answer will be appreciated Thanks in advance.
|04-20-2018, 04:59 PM||#2|
Join Date: Jun 2001
I'm no lawyer, but the laws are pretty clear on searches of vehicles.
First, don't keep your CCW permit in your wallet except in states where it's valid. If a police officer sees that they KNOW you have guns.
Keep it handy if needed in anti-gun states but not on you or where it can be seen by a visual inspection of what's in plain view.
The best way to handle guns is to buy some GOOD quality lockable storage boxes.
These should not be standard gun cases that are easily recognizable as gun cases.
If possible bolt, chain, or cable lock them down so they can't be removed easily. This helps prevent theft.
Cover them somehow so they cannot be seen without deliberately moving the covering, including by an officer "accidentally snagging the covering and pulling it aside enough to see the box, Oops my bad".
All they can do without a warrant is LOOK. If it's not plainly visible they can't start pawing through things looking.
This pretty much prevents legal problems.
If stopped for a traffic offense like speeding or other minor problems, it's unlikely the police will even notice the box or boxes since they will be covered, and unless you look suspicious they will likely not bother you otherwise.
While it's not admissible in court, cops have great "cops sense" and can usually tell when they're dealing with a bad guy or when someone is lying to them.
If you're not a criminal or lying they can tell that too and don't bug honest people.
They cannot legally move things around in order to see what's there, unless they get a search warrant.
If they do see them they cannot open the locked boxes without a search warrant.
To get a warrant they have to explain to a judge what they suspect is in the box. They can't just say they want to look for something they think might be illegal.
If they order you to open the box refuse unless they get a warrant. Just say "NO, not unless you have a search warrant".
DO NOT try to stop them if they try to open the box. You fight that in a court room, not on the highway.
NEVER agree to a vehicle search if an officer requests it.
DO NOT allow them to play the game "If you've done nothing wrong why won't you let us search".
Don't answer that question, just repeat that they DO NOT have your permission for a search.
They won't like you saying no, and that may make them suspicious of you, but that won't get them a warrant.
They may try to frighten or bully you. Just keep repeating that they DO NOT have permission to search your vehicle.
In the end they'll have to allow you to go on your way.
If they do force the boxes open without a warrant, you'll be able to sue for big money for civil rights violations and unconstitutional search and seizure.
Bottom line, if you have the guns locked up in a secure container and the container covered so it can't simply be seen with a look, you're okay.
Most police know all this far better then you do and aren't going to go to the trouble of getting a warrant unless they're very sure you are a criminal with drugs or other contraband.
DO NOT answer any questions about what's in the boxes.
Just say that the boxes contain personal property. Don't claim the boxes contain money. Just say "Personal property".
They may be sure you have guns but without opening the box they can't know for sure and few judges will grant a warrant based on just a feeling.
For containers the Pelican heavy duty water proof, air tight boxes are excellent and can be locked.
Buy some quality locks, preferably combination locks so there are no keys.
Make SURE to lock up ALL GUN RELATED OBJECTS, including ammo, holsters, fired cases, and cleaning gear.
Leave NO gun related objects out.
This removes from view anything they could use as probable cause, as in "You honor we saw a fired case on the floor so that was probable cause they had a gun".
Truth is, if it gets to that point you've probably done something pretty bad that's going to get them a search warrant anyway.
So, chances are that you will have no problems at all with a traffic stop as long as they can't see locked boxes without moving things, and can't open locked boxes without a warrant OR if you're stupid enough to be talked or conned into giving permission.
My nephew has a steel strong box just big enough for a CCW pistol.
It's locked and secured under the seat with a steel security cable and lock.
It can't be seen unless someone gets their head under the seat.
If they feel around they will find find, but it's locked and secured to the frame with a cable and lock so they can't take it out of the vehicle. To remove or open it they'd need a search warrant.
He's been all over the country and never had a problem.
In an RV a good storage method would be to put the locked cases inside a storage cabinet and put a good but unobtrusive lock on the door of the cabinet. Instead of a pad lock, install a key lock on the door that is just a round lock like used on lockers and drawers.
That way a visual inspection can't see the locked gun cases and nothing can be opened unless they get a warrant or you're stupid and fall for the search con and give permission.
Last, eliminate the whole thing by carefully obeying all traffic laws. That means staying at the legal speed limit.
If you aren't stopped you don't have to worry about your guns in anti-gun states.
Last edited by dfariswheel; 04-20-2018 at 05:16 PM.
|04-27-2018, 04:58 PM||#3|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Moundhouse, Nevada
Smart Booby, Hmm, This is something I do have a bit of knowledge about. transportation of firearms across state lines and all over the country. stay away from anti-gun states they are morons and devious ones to boot. sanitize your vehicle of all NRA or gun related stickers. this is paramount. they will find a reason to pull you over. been there, done that, have a big red banner for my troubles. (used to have a sticker behind my driver's and passenger's doors that read, "if you can read this; you are within range." MAJOR funny in NV.. provable cause in CA) with RV's find a place and build a cabinet for your gun safe to be in. build the cabinet around the safe so it will not come out of the cabinet. bolt it to the floor, keep it locked, make sure the ammo does not touch the guns in any way. if you can; build in a locker for your ammo on the other side of the RV. keep the cabinets locked with one or more dead bolts you find on entry doors. never keep your guns, even carry guns, within arms reach of you or your wife while seated when driving. keep your guns unloaded, meaning if they are revolvers, no ammo in the safe. If semi-autos; no full magazines in the safe. in California no ammo in the 10 round magazines. if asked to search, like the previous posts said.. refuse to give permission. if asked if you have guns in the RV/Vehicle, you must tell the truth.. it is illegal to lie to a LEO, but it is not illegal for the LEO to lie to you.. need to change that law. BTW in the state of California it is the second thing they ask right after, "Do you know why I stopped you?" next question will be, "Are there any weapons in the vehicle?"
read the gun transport laws for each state you are in. you can find the newest laws in a book on the NRA website, gun laws for the 50 states. I have not gotten my new edition yet. it is invaluable for RVing around the country.
I was in MASSIVE-two-shits for exactly 12 miles while on my way to Maine from my friend's place in Vermont by way of New Hampshire. I got pulled over just because of my NV plates. no other reason I can think of. my guns were locked up and could not be seen under the back seat of my SUV, the ammo was in a locked box bolted to the floor under the carpeting in a cubby hole storage compartment. my NRA Life Member sticker was in the back window... they asked if I had guns in the vehicle, I stated yes I do. they are locked up with no ammo. I was on way a hunting trip in Maine where I have a great friend. 3 hours later, the miserable state police in Mass-Hole-chusetts figured out that I had done nothing wrong. They begrudgingly let me go. I have written the Mass state police more than one letter stating they need to wise up and leave law abiding citizens alone. I got some nasty letters back.
while in every other state, I was in that trip I have had no problems. it's just Mass, NJ, NY, Conn, Ill, and my former home state of CA that have a real problem with the transportation of firearms in and through their state. I am so glad I moved. I may have to move again due to too many Californian Lib-Tards bringing the Cal-itude to this state. Montana is looking very nice right now.
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|04-28-2018, 01:34 AM||#4|
Join Date: Apr 2018
|08-27-2018, 12:01 AM||#5|
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Boston, MA
@Freddiej, thanks for sharing the info, I will also order a new edition of the gun laws for the states. It's always good to know, what to expect and perhaps how to build the route in accordance with the laws.