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Problem with P 2000 design of the DAO LEM

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#1 ·
Would I be correct in saying that the P 2000 is not designed to have one in the chamber while carring?

According to the manual there is very much spring pressure while cocked and this position is not recommended for a long period of time...

I guess you could always manually try to drop the hammer on a live round using your thumb to stop the hammer to the point were it is on the double tap position...
This doesnt seem very safe though....

If H&K comesw out with a full ambi. compact with a decocker I'm getting rid of the this P2000........drf
 
#2 ·
drf said:
Would I be correct in saying that the P 2000 is not designed to have one in the chamber while carring?

According to the manual there is very much spring pressure while cocked and this position is not recommended for a long period of time...

I guess you could always manually try to drop the hammer on a live round using your thumb to stop the hammer to the point were it is on the double tap position...

This doesnt seem very safe though....

If H&K comes out with a full ambi. compact with a decocker I'm getting rid of the this P2000........drf
drf, I'm in MI as well. When you decide to sell your P2000 (assuming it's in 9mm) please let me know as I'll gladly take it. Seriously. There is a decocker version available as well. Personally, I don't see a problem with one in the chamber. It's "not safe" in that condition because one should not store loaded firearms. If you choose to leave them in their holsters with any retention methods fully in place. As long as your Dewey Rod and dessicant are fine you shouldn't have a problem, BUT it's NOT recommended.

Trying to slowly "drop the hammer" on a live round IS dangerous. Please don't do that.
 
#3 ·
I bought the .40 S&W P2000 I already 2 9mm. so I thought I would add a 40 to the mix...The recoil is less than my P-01 9mm. I thought the light weight polymer frame would have alot of recoil but I was wrong...

Do you know it the decocker version has the ambi slide release along with an ambi decocker?

If I can find one, I'll for sure sell this one.

I have about 40-50 rds through it.. Thats all....drf
 
#4 ·
I think there actually is a safe way to decock the LEM. I saw a salesman at my preferred dealer demonstrate it. (I recommend testing this at a range, or apporpriate location.) Insert a loaded magazine. With the chamber empty, pull the trigger, letting the hammer fall. Still holding the trigger, rack the slide and chamber a round. Slowly, release the trigger. The hammer should fall as slowly as you release the trigger, and the striker shouldn't cock, leaving you with a heavy DA first pull.

NOTE: I have NEVER tried this myself, and I don't own a P2000. If you try this, you try it at your own risk, and the risk of your firearm.
 
#5 ·
The decocker on the P2000 is at the back of the slide on the variants that have them - P2000 Decocker.

Ambidextrous safety/decocker levers are available for the HK USP Compact, though these is no ambidextrous slide release.

HK recommends decocking the P2000 for long term storage (more than one year) - HK P2000 US Pistol Manual, p. 26. Given that the LEM trigger was developed for law enforcement, I think that it is safe to carry the P2000 "cocked" with a round in the chamber.

German P2000 Variants

I don't know whether all of the German variants will be available in the U.S. I have been posts that HK USA has released the decocker version of the U.S. HK P2000, but I have not seen one.
 
#6 ·
It is annoying how they call it "DAO" just because many police contracts require that.

It is clearly single more single action than double action by both accepted definitions of what single action is.

It has just one single mode of operation, so hence single action.

And, if the striker were to fall, it would ignite the primer, hence single action.

And if it does not have second-strike capability, then it is not capable of cocking itself from the trigger pull.
 
#7 ·
rsilvers said:
It is annoying how they call it "DAO" just because many police contracts require that.

It is clearly single more single action than double action by both accepted definitions of what single action is.

It has just one single mode of operation, so hence single action.

And, if the striker were to fall, it would ignite the primer, hence single action.

And if it does not have second-strike capability, then it is not capable of cocking itself from the trigger pull.
I thought that:

DA = The hammer does not cock back in a locked position. Pulling the trigger will cock and fire the pistol. Takes more pull to fire the pistol.

SA = The hammer will cock back in locked position. (Such as pulling the slide to chamber a round and the hammer stays cocked) Pulling the hammer will fire the pistol. Takes less pull to fire the pistol.
 
#8 ·
--It is annoying how they call it "DAO" just because many police contracts require that.

It is DAO. The only difference between the LEM and a traditional DAO is that the shooter gets some help in compressing the mainspring, rendering a lighter trigger pull.

--It is clearly single more single action than double action by both accepted definitions of what single action is.

In function, this is not true. In feel, I supposed the LEM does feel like a very bad single action pull.

--It has just one single mode of operation, so hence single action.

I believe single/double refers to the movement of the hammer. A DA gun has a hammer which moves back then forward with each trigger pull. SA only moves forward- it requires some other force to cock it. LEM is DA only.

--And, if the striker were to fall, it would ignite the primer, hence single action.

The LEM doesn't have a striker. It is hammer fired. BTW, there is a safety in the LEM that would prevent an AD is the hammer were to fall without the trigger being pulled back.

--And if it does not have second-strike capability, then it is not capable of cocking itself from the trigger pull.

LEM does have second strike capability, albeit with a very heavy pull.

Jester
 
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