|01-14-2011, 08:15 AM||#12|
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: new york
The Kahr Mag Problem
I am in new york and had this problem so i went on the web to see what i could find. On you tube is an excellent or should i say 2 excellent videos showing and explaining this problem. If you have a pm9, fully load a mag then push front of top round down. It will stay down, the spring pressure is only at the back of round. After removing 2 rounds they have support and chamber perfectly. On bigger pistols with more substantial mags they can achieve that support. I am in no way saying Kahr pistols are not quality, i am saying that the magazines can be improved. The chambering of a round should be done with design and not force. If you ease the slide closed on glocks or 1911's they chamber rounds easily. However on a kahr they will get stuck almost everytime. Do you think this is normal?
|01-14-2011, 10:41 AM||#13|
Join Date: Sep 2010
Second, I watched over a dozen videos on YOUBOOB. By far the majority were flattering of the PM9 as a carry gun in their review.
Third, the two that were attempting to demonstrate "a perceived design flaw" in the magazine did so by manipulating the round insertion and slide release by hand to achieve the desired result. Nowhere did they insert a full magazine and use the slide release lever or live fire the weapon during the test to break it in. None of us intentionally depress a top round causing a malfunction. We load it, smack our mags to align the rounds then insert them. The 3 prong attack of spring forces(recoil,main,magazine) work together to make sure all goes according to plan. Slowing down the slide by hand is a surefire way of gumming up the works.
Fourth, I can achieve the same results on my singlestack 38supers and 9mms of varying makes. All perform flawlessly when handled correctly by a knowledgeable shooter.
Last edited by Sarge405; 01-14-2011 at 10:47 AM.
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|01-14-2011, 02:56 PM||#14|
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: new york
Sarge 405 you wrote a very interesting paragraph but it still doesn't address the top rounds getting caught on the bottom of the barrel ramp. It would not do this if the rounds were pointing into the chamber. You think Kahr purposely designed this to be hard to chamber a round. You have to sling shot the slide or use the slide release. Why didn't they make it so it would go right in as they do if you have 3 or 4 rounds in the magazine. I didn't read this on the internet, it works this way. You are getting hot as if i am knocking your favorite pistol. I am just asking why they can't design a magazine that supports all the rounds. And your saying that Kahr wants you to have to force the top rounds in but they want the last 3 or 4 to just glide in. I really like and will probably purchase a Kahr pistol but am saying the magazine could be better. I don't like not being able to release the slide the way i do on other pistols, and have the top round stuck on the feed ramp.
|01-14-2011, 04:15 PM||#15|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Dave, i sometimes have the same problem with a full mag of .22LR in my Ruger MK II, if I inadvertently forget to smack the back of the mag into the palm of my hand before inserting it into the weapon.
|01-14-2011, 06:51 PM||#16|
Join Date: Jun 2001
All I can add is that I have an early stainless K9 and I can't even induce it to jam. This is purely anecdotal, but I know a lot of people who own Kahr pistols, and very few have had problems.
I broke it in with some really horrible 1960's Egyptian 9mm ammo that wouldn't work in anything else, but the K9 just ate it up.
I run Winchester Silver Tips in it simply because that's what I had on hand when I bought it, and since it's 100% with it, I've seen no reason to change.
I have three mags with the gun and over 3000 rounds through it, with ZERO stoppages.
I can load the K9 by gently easing the slide forward and the round will feed perfectly, needing only a push to fully close the slide after the round is in the chamber. Admittedly, this is a K9, which is bigger than the micro guns.
I just don't know what to tell you about the "defective magazines".
Hundreds of thousands of Kahr's have been sold and you hear almost no complaints about magazines other than a bad batch of plastic followers a few years ago.
The downward round looks odd, and in other guns is often a problem. It isn't in the Kahr, and most owners just ignore it when it works so well.
Bottom line, for a "defective design magazine" there are remarkably few complaints about it from actual users.
If there was a problem with the design, Justin Moon would have of necessity changed it under customer demand.
Many Kahr buyers are individual police and some departments. They don't buy guns that have a design defect that the manufacturer refuses to correct.
You seem to be obsessing over something that isn't as problem and is only claimed by some unknown people in a couple of youtube posts.
If you spend any time at all on youtube, you quickly learn to take what is presented there with a lot of skepticism.
So the top rounds are supported oddly, and so the top round points downward.
All that matters is does the gun function when fired?
Does the gun load properly when loaded per the factory's instructions?
If the answer to both is "Yes", I'd submit there is no issue.
|01-15-2011, 05:55 AM||#17|
Join Date: Sep 2010
Ps-I do not own a Kahr nor am I affiliated with the company.
|02-15-2012, 06:25 PM||#20|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Kahr PM9 Issues
New user here, but not a new gun guy.
I recently purchased a Kahr PM9 (11 February, 2012), and took it to the range the day after to test it out.
I used two different types of ammunition. One was a standard FMJ, and the other was a hollowpoint (Hornady). I had NUMEROUS issues with failure to feed to the point that I almost could not get the slide to move, or remove the magazine. This happened with both the 6 and 7 round magazines. I only managed to put about 120 rounds through all of the hang ups before I gave up.
I've never ever had anything even remotely close to this issue with ANY of my other handguns. Believe me, I WANT to like this gun.
I've heard and read similar stories prior to purchasing this pistol, however I believed some of it to be rare issues. I love the overall fit and finish of the pistol, and was also sold on it's size. The trigger is perfect as well when it worked.
The problem in my estimation has something to do with the interference fit between the magazine, the magazine release button, and the magazine release "opening" in the magazine. Another possibility might have something to do with the magazine spring being too weak?
When these malfunctions occurred, the magazine was jammed so tightly in the receiver that I had to try for almost a minute to get it out. The cartidges left inside were "nose down" in the magazine. Not that that means anything, but, . . . never noticed that in any other handgun. Just saying. I had never read anything about that before, just happened to see it as I was trying like hell to clear the malfuntion.
I WILL NOT carry this handgun as my personal defense weapon until it fires at least 500 round without any malfunctions at this point. Besides, I have too many other 99% reliable handguns to stress over this one (other than the wheelbarrow full of money the freaking thing cost).
I've included a comment that I found on while doing a search for issues relating to feed problems with the PM9. This comment is exactly the issue I had as well. I'd be most interested in hearing your comments. Others have suggested purchasing an aftermarket magazine, however for the over $700 I paid, this thing should work FLAWLESSLY (or should I say, like my Glocks, my Sig, my Ruger, hell, even my Kel-Tec). I've owned many, many handguns, and this is the ONLY one I've EVER had problems like this with.
[I]"My PM9 recently went to the factory for it's 5th and final trip. They finally bought it back. Worst gun I have ever owned. It suffered from chronic catastrophic jamming. The mag would be near impossible to remove after it FTF or FTE. However, it could be thrown at ones assailant after a FTF. I don't believe it ever went more than 20 rounds without a screw up. Several other experienced shooters had the same results. Good luck with yours. I'll try a Beretta Nano next."
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