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Old 10-13-2010, 06:09 AM   #31
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Remembering? He was running into a dark hallway, turned, reached into pocket and pulled object. Too dark too see it was a phone?Wallet? Officers fired?
 
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:19 PM   #32
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anti-gang unit looking for dark-skinned serial rapist. Spot Diallo and pull up behind him; Diallo runs into building not his; can't get past the vestibule, keeps peeking out; cops approach in supporting positions, lead cop has gun out and down behind him; goes to step up and Diallo turns around with somethin dark in his hand; cop slips on step/falls backwards and canks off round into ground; supporting cops light up Diallo; rounds impacting him and vestibule keep him from going down (poor hit ratio as well); when dust settles, he's clutching wallet.

Tragic shoot but the cops acted reasonably under the circumstances.

The actual round used had no impact upon the decision or the legality of the shoot.

add 'usual suspects and vermin" come out of woodwork and lambaste the cops (Springsteen; Jackson; Sharpton; et al).
 
Old 07-24-2011, 04:21 PM   #33
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Some have said the ball went through and through allowing Diallo to stay on his feet and causing the officers to continue to fire. I don't no how valid that point is, but that's what I heard. If you remember one of the complaints of the ignorant was how many times he was shot.
 
 
Old 07-25-2011, 12:55 AM   #34
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LEO's should be allowed to carry the off duty weapon of their choosing, with the requirements that it be AT LEAST a .38Spl, the Officer can qualify with it, and the Officer purchases his own hollowpoint ammo-----JMHO...
One thing that surprised me when I EOD'd with a Federal agency a long, long, long time ago, was the anti-gun attitudes of management.

Now I realize that for many of these folks, it's just a power game and they would play it anywhere they were. LE had better pensions and benefits, so they chose that. Didn't matter that they cared nothing for the job or knew nothing about it. Just look at the 124 man that the POS John Lindsay made the PC in NYC in the late 60's. He's still alive and well in left wing "police" think tanks. They are politicians first, and you are expendable assets to be used for their self-aggrandizement.

In this agency, you actually had to go to your supe and sign out a weapon. It was a running joke that they had them in the safe just in case they saw you getting beaten up outside the building, they could throw one out the window to the bad guy.

One time one of the new female agents asked to sign out a weapon to go to a bad area. Her supe said she should take Fred with her.

"I qualified with a 38, not with a Fred."

I got out of there, but it's basically a variation anywhere you went. There's a reason why the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence, and it ain't due to sunshine.

Now, why did I retire early again?

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Old 01-23-2012, 08:22 PM   #35
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Off duty carry

I will look at this from the position of being a retired Officer. I spent 25 years on the job in Georgia and for the first 19 no agency in our area issued weapons or ammo. I have observed that if the agency doesn't issue weapons they have less control over what is carried. Same goes for ammo. If the city doesn't buy it then they can't require an Officer to use a certain type or caliber. We depended on a sense of common understanding for off duty carry...we never carried unacceptable weapons or ammo. For a long period of time before he got the city to issue guns and ammo the chief carried a S&W M29, 4" with magnum loads. HE also qualified with it which established the procedure that if you want to carry it then you need to be able to qualify with it. Once we went with Beretta 96D Centurions we were issued WW Black Talons. The next year the chief pulled the Berettas due to a lack of trust in them by some officers. He then issued Sig P229s. We were welcome to carry the Sigs off duty, and if we did we had to use the WW loads. If the Officer chose to carry something else then they could. But still they needed to qualify with it. The agency I was with still issues the Sig P229s to this day.
 
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aryfrosty, my department is like your old one. When I got hired in 1992, you had to buy a pistol from a list. I got a Glock 22. The department now issues Glock 22C, but you can still carry what you had before if you wish. Off-duty, I carry a Kimber Ultra-carry II in 45 and also have a Keltec 380 for a back-up. I know of a few officers that carry full size 1911's off-duty but this has to be approved.
 
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The LEAs around me all have rules against carrying anything off duty that is a larger caliber than their duty weapon. Is that normal?
Old thread brought back, but around here, no. Currently, our primary on duty is restricted to Sig only in 40 or 45. If we carry the Dept issue DAK Sig, then the Dept maintains it. If we carry a personal Sig, then we maintain it.

The list for off duty & backup is much more flexible: autoloader rounds are 380 for minimum; revolver rounds are 38 Special minimum, non magnum rounds are good, and 357 Magnum. If we choose something other than 40 S&W or 45ACP, then we buy the (approved) ammo. We maintain our personal pistols. Brand names and approved.

Performance is pretty much related to range time and budgets (Dept or family).... Real life....
 
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Where I work the jail deputies are issued Glock 19 or 17 depending on hand size, and Glock 22 or 23 on patrol. We have no restrictions on off duty carry, just that we must qualify with our carry guns and provide our own ammo for the personal weapons.
 
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I have a Lew Hortons 3" Bbl. Smith Model 624 .44 Spl, that I have been known to carry as a "Barbeque Gun" (It's purty) But, fully capable with Gold Dot's and a speedloader or two.
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