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Old 10-24-2004, 02:15 PM   #1
 
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Saw a strange Pistol Today.

Wondering if any of you guys can help me out. Found a pistol today that looks kind of like a PPK. on the right side of the pistol just under the slide there are marking that looks like STABVI or maybe STARVI is says made germany and 9MM MAK just beside it. on the left side under the grips it has the letter y surrounded by a circle of little dots? any ideas?


figured like a good spot to ask as its chambered in makarov.
 
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Old 10-24-2004, 04:42 PM   #2
 
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Can you give more details? How did it differ from a PPK.
 
Old 10-24-2004, 06:01 PM   #3
 
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It would be helpful if you post a pic.
Walther did make a model PP in 9x18 Ultra, which is not the same as 9x18 Makarov.

The markings you quote, including the Y insiode a circle of dots make it sound like a Makarov.

Did it look like this?
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg21-e.htm
 
 
Old 10-24-2004, 06:23 PM   #4
 
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Also, did it just say "MADE IN GERMANY", or was East or West Germany specifed?
 
Old 10-24-2004, 06:46 PM   #5
 
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it looked nearly identical to the first image that teakwood posted the link to. there was no star on the grips though. sorry that i cant post a pic no way to get images.
 
Old 10-24-2004, 07:09 PM   #6
 
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direwolf_2002,
what you have seen is a Makarov made in East Germany. There is a proof mark on the frame of a circle inside of a diamond that will confirm it was made in East Germany at the Ernst Thaelman factory in Suhl. I would bet that on the LH side of the frame above the trigger and below the slide there is a "K100" inside a rectangle. Further, the SN is of the format:
AB nnnn yy
where "AB" represents any two alpha chracters, "nnnn" is either 3 or four numerals, and "yy" is a 2-digit year (probably somewhere between 1958 and 1963).

What you are interpreting as "STABVI" is actually an abbreviation for St. Albans, Vt (Vermont). This was the main office of CAI (Century Arms International), the importers of the pistol.

I take it you have never seen a Makarov before.
 
Old 10-24-2004, 07:50 PM   #7
 
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it does indeed have a circle inside of a diamond. and you are correct, i had never had the opportunity to handle a makarov before. i appreciate all the info.

do you know what one may be worth? it only has one mag and seems to be in pretty good shape. i think i would replace the grips if possible they are a little slippery.
 
Old 10-24-2004, 08:47 PM   #8
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If it is the East German model it is one of the more sought after versions. They tend to have the best fit, finish and trigger. There were two different basic grips for them, a red bakelite with the star and a thumb rest and the black grips that are slightly slimmer. The two grips also take different screws to attach.

There are several folk making aftermarket grips for the Mak. I have a set of wood grips on one of my EG Maks.

Great little guns. The Bulgie will sell for about $150.00, the EG for up to double that.
 
Old 10-24-2004, 09:12 PM   #9
 
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so maybe $150? thanks again for all the help from everybody. Im glad a moderator andwered this too. as my posts show im a newbie here and i donet want to have a string that i should have started elsewhere. im gonna look into this little pistol and see what happens. I also was wondering if anybody knows how to filed strip this little bugger or knows where a manual is online. I will post wether i pick up this pretty little peice.


thanks again and hopefull someone can hook me up with info on stripping this thing.

oh by the way does anyone know where i could purchase mags for it? like I said it only has the one mag.
 
Old 10-25-2004, 04:00 AM   #10
 
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Makrov.com is a great source for parts, accessories, ammo and info.
http://www.makarov.com/index.html

As to value, I paid $200 for an EG Mak in excellent condition with one mag.

As to field stripping:
http://www.makarov.com/makfaq.html

As to magazines, prices vary from $5 to $10, depending on vendor and condition.
 
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